Do you reload 460 S&W Magnum on a Dillon Press?

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As my addiction grows I find myself actively hunting down all the dies and conversion plates and funnels I'll ever need based on what I shoot.

I recently started looking for Dillon dies and conversion kits for the 460 S&W mag. I see on their website they have the powder funnel and shell plate needed, but no dies.

Is it safe to assume that the 45 Colt/454 Casull dies will work? I'm concerned they aren't long enough to properly seat and crimp. I see no explanation on Dillon's website. I did email them, but was just curious if anyone knew.

I plan to weigh every single charge and trickle if need be for this round, given the high pressures it operates at, but I figure a powder bar will get me close if not exact.

Does anyone know if I'll need a magnum rifle powder bar?
 
Starline claims ".454 Casull/45 Colt dies work best with our case'. My concerns would not be about seating and crimping, 'cause the dies should adjust enough for that, but resizing the brass all the way down. My powder measure throws charges close enough that I no longer weigh each charge....but then, I don't load to max.
 
If they sell the caliber conversion kit, it means you can. And yes, the supplied large powder bar should cover the charge weights.

My question is do you really need to load that caliber on a progressive? I can't see anyone shooting that monster enough to justify the cost of the toolhead and conversion kit not to mention the setup time to crank out a batch. It would be a single stage proposition if I were doing it.

Don't get me wrong, a buddy has a 460 and it is impressive to watch him shoot it. His limit is about 10 rounds. He doesn't hand load for it, and the ammo is crazy expensive which might be part of the reason.
 
My question is do you really need to load that caliber on a progressive? I can't see anyone shooting that monster enough to justify the cost of the toolhead and conversion kit not to mention the setup time to crank out a batch. It would be a single stage proposition if I were doing it.

Don't get me wrong, a buddy has a 460 and it is impressive to watch him shoot it. His limit is about 10 rounds. He doesn't hand load for it, and the ammo is crazy expensive which might be part of the reason.
Yes I do shoot it enough to justify it. I immensely enjoy the cartridge and want to start shooting it at steel, at 100+ yards. I've put 40 factory Hornady rounds through it in one session on a few occasions and while I was a little beat up, the only real reason I didn't shoot it more is the cost of ammo. I've been shooting it since 2009 and have a few hundred cases waiting for me.

Cost savings and experimentation are my drivers here.
 
My question is do you really need to load that caliber on a progressive? I It would be a single stage proposition if I were doing it.

Yes I do shoot it enough to justify it.

I shoot quite a bit of .460, probably 1000 or more rounds a year. Generally 50 rounds a session. I've done all on a Single Stage and never had a want for ammo. Loading .460 is more like loading for a rifle than for a handgun. I seriously don't know how well a progressive would work. First off, they are hard to resize. Even with lube and carbide dies, it takes quite a bit of oomph to resize the case. Don't know if a progressive would have the leverage needed to resize and do all the other operations simultaneously. The heavy crimp needed for the round takes a bot of oomph also. For me, unlike with .45ACP, the last thing on my list of priorities when reloading this caliber is getting the ammo done as fast as possible. Too much to go wrong. Cases don't last long and need to be carefully inspected. The long cases are also suspect to buckling when seating and crimping are rushed. Then this statement would tend to defeat the purpose of a progressive........

I plan to weigh every single charge and trickle if need be for this round, given the high pressures it operates at, but I figure a powder bar will get me close if not exact.

As for this.......

Cost savings and experimentation are my drivers here.

Experimentation is generally done best a few rounds at a time with meticulous care. Again, more of a SS than a progressive kind of thing. As for cost savings......depending on projectiles, unless you cast your own from free lead, figure half as much for your reloads. Legitimate .460 velocities and pressures mean using an appropriate bullet if you are using jacketed, not only for good terminal performance, but so you don't wreck the gun. As I said, cases don't last like .357 or .44s, more like .300 mag rifle, if you load to legitimate .460 velocities and pressure. For gongs out to 100 yards , you will want legitimate velocities for best accuracy, but you certainly don't need max. The .460 is not a cheap dog to feed. But when fed well it works well. I worry more about how good it's food is than how much I feed it.
 
I went digging in my 460 S&W Mag stuff. It has been a while since I loaded the 460 due to working with other things so my memory may be a bit foggy.

The sizing die I have set up and adjusted is an RCBS 45 Colt die. I also have an RCBS 460 Mag die not yet adjusted and both dies are the same length. I also have 460 S&W Mag expander and seater dies.

I plan to load on a progressive but all my loading to date has been on a single stage. Since Hornady does not make an L-N-L shell plate for the 460, I got one for my Dillon BL550. I resize at one time and load at a different time and prime by hand off the press.

I'll be using a Hornady case activated powder measure system. I have a light load for the 460 S&W Mag (1000 fps or so) and will use a modified Redding 10-X powder measure. For full power loads, I'll probably use an RCBS Uniflow to get the monster powder charges needed or maybe the Hornady L-N-L.

I have several Dillon powder measures on an equal number of Dillon SDB presses. They work fine but I really prefer my other powder measures.

So far on the single stage press, I've been using my Harrell powder measure for full powder loads and a Redding 10-X for the light loads.

As a side note, I'm not against but I am not a fan of shooting short cases in my revolvers and the 460 S&W mag is no exception. I enjoy shooting my light loads in the 460 XVR as much as the super hot, 427 Chevy block busting loads.

Hope this helps.
 
i soon will be. One of the conversion kits i ordered for my up and coming 650 is the 460 S&W kit. i have previously loaded them on my Hornady LNL. i ran into no issues other than the general function issues typical of that press. The rounds i made have been very accurate, and the powder charge consistent enough for my purposes, within a tenth of a grain. I ring my gong every time at 300 yards. i also shoot under max loads, though still plenty hot. The gun/ammo combo I use is more accurate than I am.
300mp
300 grain xtp mags, and
as heavy a crimp as i can get without buckling cases.
in other words, no problems at all loading it on a progressive.
also...cfullgraf, you are incorrect, Hornady does make a shell plate for the 460. i own one.
the Hornady shell plate for 50 A.E. also works in a pinch.

i also shoot 50 rounds or so of that one in a session
 
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I got the Lee dies, based on the comment made on the Starline website. I found that I can't resize all the way down without starting to roll the case mouth shut. I think unless you have shot the brass with a high enough charge to cause difficult extraction, you may not need to size all the way down anyway.

What I have started doing is using the Lee FCD with the carbide ring (not the collet type crimper), with the crimp insert removed, to full length size the case. Then I follow up with the normal sizing die, but I have the die adjusted as high as possible on the press so that it is only sizing the top half or so of the case. I don't work the bottom half of the case as much as I would with the regular sizing die, but I still get the necessary neck tension at the top of the case. It is an extra step, but one I don't mind doing as I don't shoot hundreds of rounds of 460. After seating the bullet, I use the Lee collet type crimp die, not the normal FCD.

This round is rated for rifle pressure, and as such the components need to be properly chosen. I have some reduced loads for it that give roughly 45 colt performance with low cost bullets, but the full-tilt-boogie loads require projectiles rated for the pressure.

I do own a Dillon 550, but I will load all my 460 on my LCT. If I feel I need to bump up the production rate for any reason, I will use the LCT with the auto-index rod installed.
 
300mp
300 grain xtp mags, and
as heavy a crimp as i can get without buckling cases.
in other words, no problems at all loading it on a progressive.
Curious on your 300MP load, and what gun. That is my favorite powder for my 357mag 16" rifle. 300MP did not perform as well in a shorter 5" barrel for me.
 
Sounds like a perfect role for a Lee Classic Turret! Significantly higher rate of production than a single stage, yet only working one case at a time, necessary handling of every case individually (means finding defects is more likely), no problem getting a die all the way down to the shellplate, etc.
 
also...cfullgraf, you are incorrect, Hornady does make a shell plate for the 460. i own one.
the Hornady shell plate for 50 A.E. also works in a pinch.

When I bought my 460 XVR several years ago, the 460 shell plate was not available.

I see that they are available now.

My 45 Colt cases do not eject well on the L-N-L anyway so I’d suspect the 460 might have similar issues so loading 460 on the Dillon is not a diappointment.
 
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A few thoughts on my intentions.

My concerns would not be about seating and crimping, 'cause the dies should adjust enough for that, but resizing the brass all the way down. My powder measure throws charges close enough that I no longer weigh each charge....but then, I don't load to max.
I can see how that may be an issue. On the Dillon the decapping, resizing, and priming all happen on station one. I would think that the entire case would get resized because it's the only way the decapping pin would knock the old primer out. However, the way the decapping die is designed, is there enough room for the long case to avoid buckling the case mouth? I think I will have to wait for Dillon on that answer unless someone pops in here with experience. I know I don't HAVE to use Dillon dies, but it seems logical that if Dillon sells a 460 conversion kit, their 454 dies would work. If not, they should be able to recommend an alternative die.

Also, my intention is not to load max load after max load. I want to load a range of practice ammo. I have noticed somewhat diminished or rather inconsistent accuracy when shooting 45 Colt in my gun, and it isn't that surprising since the cylinder jump is quite long. I want to load ammo of all different velocities, just to increase the economy of a gun I love to shoot, but shoot sparingly due to ammo costs.

I can't see anyone shooting that monster enough to justify the cost of the toolhead and conversion kit

Regarding the cost, I should clarify. I also have shot a lot of 45 Colt and 454 Casull out of my X frame, so I have a lot of brass from those two cartridges as well. However, I only own a 460 mag. So what I would likely do is set up my dies for 45 Colt, load and shoot 45 Colt for plinking ammo until my cases are all used up and unloadable and then do the same with 454 Casull. Eventually I'll have nothing left but 460 brass, and the tool head would become a 460 dedicated reloading setup. I have enough brass of all three lengths that this may take a few years to do. I'm just gathering my needed parts now.

If at some point I get a 454 revolver or a 45 Colt, I may invest in a different toolhead again, but that's a big if. I due know I will always have a 45 caliber revolver of some flavor. So the cost is justified in my mind. This is my hobby, and I'm willing to spend some money on it.

Loading .460 is more like loading for a rifle than for a handgun.
Yep, I get that, and that's how I intend to treat it.

First off, they are hard to resize. Even with lube and carbide dies, it takes quite a bit of oomph to resize the case. Don't know if a progressive would have the leverage needed to resize and do all the other operations simultaneously. The heavy crimp needed for the round takes a bot of oomph also. For me, unlike with .45ACP, the last thing on my list of priorities when reloading this caliber is getting the ammo done as fast as possible. Too much to go wrong. Cases don't last long and need to be carefully inspected. The long cases are also suspect to buckling when seating and crimping are rushed. Then this statement would tend to defeat the purpose of a progressive........
Again, yes, I get that it will require substantial effort to run these through a progressive, and I am guessing I will ruin several cases in the setup phase. I'm ok with that. I know a lot of folks view this as a single stage type operation, but I do not have a lot of space in my reloading room. I prefer to stay on one press if at all possible to avoid clutter, even if it costs me a little more money to make that happen. I would like to try progressive loading this round, but the wonderful part about the Dillon 550B is you do not HAVE to run it in a progressive way. It is simple enough to run a single case through all for stations if need be, and the locator pin on the powder station can easily be removed or left out entirely to facilitate charge weight checks. So even if it is a bear to run this progressively, I have the option of running it one case at a time. That may be what I end up doing, but in either case, I'd prefer to do all my loading on one press.

I have no intention of rushing either. I reload fairly slowly and so far have only loaded up to 150 rounds in one session. When reloading the 460, I suspect it would be lower volume. More like 25 to 50 at a time.

I don't feel that weighing each charge defeats the point of a progressive when that's what you are already invested in for loading high volumes. I already have the Dillon, so I intend to use it. If I see that the powder throw is consistent on this round, after I find a powder I like, then I'll likely stop measuring every charge.
 
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Experimentation is generally done best a few rounds at a time with meticulous care. Again, more of a SS than a progressive kind of thing. As for cost savings......depending on projectiles, unless you cast your own from free lead, figure half as much for your reloads. Legitimate .460 velocities and pressures mean using an appropriate bullet if you are using jacketed, not only for good terminal performance, but so you don't wreck the gun.
Yep. I've read a lot about bullet construction and realize that certain designs, such as the XTP, don't always do very well when it comes to extreme velocities. For hot or max loads where I actually want to put something down, I am looking at Swift, Barnes, and even some of the solid copper offerings from Lehigh.

Lite loads for fun will also have an appropriate bullet chosen for that purpose.

As a side note, I'm not against but I am not a fan of shooting short cases in my revolvers and the 460 S&W mag is no exception. I enjoy shooting my light loads in the 460 XVR as much as the super hot, 427 Chevy block busting loads.

Same here. I stopped buying 38 specials some time ago because I prefer to just shoot 357's out of my 357 revolvers. Now that I'm getting into reloading, I see no reason not to just load 357's to a comfortable level if I don't want recoil or hot rounds. I'll likely do what I mentioned above. I'll load all my 38's, then adjust my dies to load 357's and then just leave that tool head as a dedicated 357 setup, once I find some loads I like.

Sounds like a perfect role for a Lee Classic Turret! Significantly higher rate of production than a single stage, yet only working one case at a time, necessary handling of every case individually (means finding defects is more likely), no problem getting a die all the way down to the shellplate, etc.

I can load one case at a time on the 550B, so I don't think I'd need another press. I've also gotten in the habit of sorting and inspecting all my brass before I start loading, and I don't use any kind of auto case feeding system, I do it by hand. It seems an adequate system for what I want to do, and I don't feel overly slow when doing it. So there is that added handling of the cases also as I place them in the press individually.
 
Thanks all for the thoughts and comments. As a new reloader, conversations like this are very helpful. I am a fairly thoughtful person, and do have an analytical mind, but that doesn't mean I can't make greenhorn mistakes. I'm trying to think my way through these things logically, but I like to verify, rather than assume. THR and this gang is great for that.
 
If you have not already noticed, Starline sells 460 S&W Mag cases.

Not cheap, but cheaper than generating cases by buying factory ammunition.
 
If you have not already noticed, Starline sells 460 S&W Mag cases.

Not cheap, but cheaper than generating cases by buying factory ammunition.
I have seen them at Cabela's, but I figured I could find them online a lot cheaper. I'll run through my cases first, and then probably start buying from them.
 
Ok, since you have a 550 and know that it can be used like a single stage (which I do sometimes as well) then I don't see any problem. As far as weighing each charge, they sell a powder die with a funnel attachment that would allow you to weigh powder off press (either hand trickle or something like a Chargemaster) and then dump powder directly into the case while it is on the press.

You could batch process all the brass in two steps. 1st step would be resizing/decapping/priming in station 1 and expanding/flaring in station 2 (no powder dropped), taking the brass out as it comes out of station 2. 2nd step (after dumping powder in all the cases) would be inserting the case in station 3, seat the bullet and then crimp in the last station. So, you would end up with one loaded round with every 2 pulls of the handle. This is basically how I work up test loads for pistol rounds now, using my Chargemaster to weigh powder. I pre-processed a lot of brass by sizing, priming, expanding and flaring and then just stored the brass for whenever I am ready to work up new test loads. So all I have to do is just dump powder, seat and crimp.

Or you could run them through as a regular progressive, and manually dump powder in station 2 with these:

https://www.dillonprecision.com/at-500-powder-die_8_4_23631.html
https://www.dillonprecision.com/plastic-funnel_8_120_23633.html
 
Curious on your 300MP load, and what gun. That is my favorite powder for my 357mag 16" rifle. 300MP did not perform as well in a shorter 5" barrel for me.
i am shooting it out of a 12" Smith and Wesson perfomance center revolver. My load is 37 grains. Total loaded cartridge length is 2.155, crimpped on the crimp groove. I am using the XTPs designated as "magnum". primers are in good shape, no where near flat, with easy case extraction. I could not tell you what velocitys i am getting, as my Chronograph got shot by someone a while back who has failed to replace it for me, and i havent seen fit to invest in another yet. I also couldn't tell you exactly how acurate the load is, as i dont use a bench rest. I will tell you it doesnt miss my 18 inch gong at 300 yards if i do my part.
 
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Although I am not a 460 owner (yet - possibly to change this weekend depending on the back-and-forth with an LGS) - I personally wouldn’t load it on my Dillons. For some reason, my preference is to load all magnum revolver stuff on my Co-ax or RC Supreme. It is a comfort of mind thing. Low volume and taking my time.

With that said, I think you’ve got the process / method down! Following your thought process is logical and well thought out. You have the press, you aren’t forced to go progressive, and Dillon makes the equipment! As far as dumping individual charges, no hassle in that either for starters (or forever). I’ve seen many blackpowder cartridge shooters use their Dillons set up with tall powder drop tubes. I never heard them complain. Treating your 550 with the “one round at a time” aspect is essentially the same process as a turret press. Insisting a turret press over using the 550 is silly, in this respect - in my opinion. With that said, have at it!

I’d also like to hear Dillon’s response about the dies.

With me luck in the haggle game!
 
Update:

Dillon got back to me a little while ago.

"You need 460 S&W dies for this cartridge. 45 Colt dies lack sufficient adjustment. We carry Redding steel die sets for 460 S&W, #10319 for $106.00. The large powder bar has sufficient capacity for 460S&W.

Thank you!

Dillon Precision Products, Inc."

So there it is. Dillon doesn't make their own 460 S&W mag dies, and the 45 Colt/454 Casull dies will NOT work, even with the conversion kit. So I'll need to pick up the Reddings or some other brand if I want to do this. Shouldn't be a problem.
 
Ouch Dillon! Pretty steep on that price for the Redding dies!

I’ll ditto Laphroaig! I am a huge fan of Redding dies and, in my experience, their customer service is highly knowledgeable, kind, and extremely prompt. I go back and forth between Redding and RCBS for all my dies. For pistols / revolvers, I have RCBS as I can’t justify the additional expense. The majority of my rifles dies are Redding though!
 
The only Redding dies I have are for 223, and I have no complaints. I like the fact you can install an optional carbide expander.
 
When I buy dies, Redding is my first choice. If they are out of stock/unavailable for some other reason, I'll buy RCBS next.

My 460 S&W Mag dies are RCBS.
 
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