Does a G18 with burst or generic Automatic exist?

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As a person who doesn't know much about guns (only like calibers, history or forces that use it), I wonder "If a Full Auto Glock exists, would one with Burst or Auto exist?

(EDIT: I just realized, to clear up confusion, Automatic would be fast but not fast, like LMG fast. Full Auto would be if you sped up footage of someone firing an AR. (in a nutshell: automatic slow but fast full auto super fast) )
 
Automatic would be fast but not fast, like LMG fast. Full Auto would be if you sped up footage of someone firing an AR. (in a nutshell: automatic slow but fast full auto super fast)
Legally, there's no difference. If a gun fires more than once with a single function of the trigger, it's a machine gun, with all that that entails. Unless you're a Special Occupational Tax payer, you can't own one made after May 19,1986. I mean you can, if you're willing to go to federal prison.
 
last i knew there was only a few transferable g18s in circulation. Like 4 or something. However if one is an sot and a manufacturer then a post sample or dealer sample can be constructed. Their are a few companies that produce a rear plate and sear assembly that are not super difficult to install. The biggest issue that we had with them was the cyclic rate. The pistol is very difficult to control with out a fore grip and a stock installed. While fun it is quite useless for anything other then wasting ammo and making smiles.
 
@deth , for general information on automatic weapons, their rate of fire, history and mode of operation, I would recommend you check out Forgotten Weapons on YouTube. Ian does a good job of introducing the mechanics of a great many firearms, and has a very good series on automatic weapons, from heavy MG's, LMG's, machine pistols, submachine guns et al. And he does a great job presenting the nomenclature associated with them. As to your specific question about the G18, it has a rate of fire around 1200 rounds per minute, which means its fast...that's a little faster than a full auto M16 and more than double the rate of a Bren LMG. Usually that rate of fire would typically be seen on aircraft mounted firearms. The MG34 would be the closest I could think of to that high of a cyclic rate. No machine pistol that I know of has a burst function, the small size simply doesn't allow for the mechanism for burst fire to fit
 
Automatic would be fast but not fast, like LMG fast. Full Auto would be if you sped up footage of someone firing an AR. (in a nutshell: automatic slow but fast full auto super fast)
The speed of automatic weapons is limited not by type, per se, but by intent and how the trigger & sear operate.

The G18 runs really fast as it is the way the sear is interrupted. This is common to many "machine pistols" that merely interrupt to the sear disconnect.
This is not always desirable. The Czech Skorpion has a middling elaborate "rate reducer" to slow it down from ≈1100 rpm to 'only' ≈800-900rpm.

LMG--light machine guns need to deliver suppressing fires at significant ranges. It's preferable that they deliver that fire at slower rates to better create a known beaten zone. Ideally, that's down in the ≈450-550rpm range, ideally with some dispersion over a known area--like say 5-10 x 40-50m.

Where things get blurry is anti-aircraft. Aircraft do not stay in one place for very long. An aircraft moving at a paltry 450kts is moving 760 feet per second--that's 230meters per second. So, it's advantageous to gett as much ammo into that second as possible.

Now. it's also possible to work a semi-automatic trigger very fast. Accurately is a different question. Which begets an argument with no solution--Is it better to place one round perfectly; or nn rounds imperfectly. In the century or so we've been fooling about with machine--fast repeating--weapons, that answer has yet to be solved.
 
Full Auto would be if you sped up footage of someone firing an AR. (in a nutshell: automatic slow but fast full auto super fast) )
Who needs full auto? Just learn to shoot semi-auto really fast (Jump to :25 second of video)



Learn how to shoot really fast SEMI-AUTO (Jump to 5:23 minute of video). "Cadence firing" demonstrated at 7:00 minute as 1-2-3-4-5 ... just that simple?



OK, back to OP.
 
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They exist, but not many that can be transferred on a form 4, as the registry closed May 19, 1986, so glocks had only existed for 4 years.

This is a select fire Glock 17C though. I think it’s one of the funnest machineguns to shoot but I haven’t had a chance to play with an M134 yet.

 
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I heard the theory of the g18 was for bodyguards. The idea was to turn is sideways and let the recoil spray it sideways across a car or line of bad guys. That may or my not be true, but the mere idea of unaimed, uncontrolled fire makes my skin crawl.

It might be interesting in a CAA micro roni or some sort of stocked version.
 
I heard the theory of the g18 was for bodyguards. The idea was to turn is sideways and let the recoil spray it sideways across a car or line of bad guys....
Someone was pulling your leg.

Glock 18: The Glock 18 is a selective-fire variant of the Glock 17, developed at the request of the Austrian counter-terrorist unit EKO Cobra, and as a way to internally test Glock components under high strain conditions.[83] Originally produced in 1986, this machine pistol–class firearm has a lever-type fire-control selector switch, installed on the serrated portion of the rear left side of the slide. With the selector lever in the bottom position, the pistol fires fully automatically, and with the selector lever in the top position, the pistol fires semi-automatically. The firearm is typically used with an extended 33-round-capacity magazine, although other magazines from the Glock 17 can be used, with available capacities of 10, 17, 19 or 24 rounds. Unlike all its other pistols, it is only offered to military, law enforcement, and government organizations.[84] Early Glock 18 models were ported to reduce muzzle rise during automatic fire. A very early design introduced a longer ported barrel which was soon discarded as it would not fit in a holster. Another compensated variant was produced, known as the Glock 18C. It has a keyhole opening cut into the forward portion of the slide, similar to the opening on the Glock long-slide models, although the Glock 18 has a standard-length slide. The keyhole opening provides an area to allow the four, progressively larger (from back to front) compensator cuts machined into the barrel to vent the propellant gases upwards, affording more control over the rapid-firing machine pistol.
 
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I’ve only seen/fired a couple of Glocks that were seized after being illegally converted to full auto, never a legitimately made one. All the seized ones I’ve seen were crude, but did go FA when fired.

The rpm is greater the Mp5k (900 rpm) which I’ve shot hundreds of times in Semi and Full over the years I utilized one at work (our k had no burst, the Mp5’s had 3-round selectors.)

The Mp5 and Mp5k are easy to keep on target due to weight, the stocks and foregrips. The Glocks, not so much. They really start to rise after about three shots and keep climbing until the shots are stopped (see the video above with the experienced shooter firing and watch the rise).
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This is an illegal full-auto conversion of a Glock 19. The protruding piece is what is moved to keep the sear from engaging and allows FA fire:

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As the guys above said, a legally acquired one is a quick way to empty your magazine and wallet. An illegally acquired one is a great way to tie up your social calendar for several years. :(

Stay safe.
 

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They are surprisingly controllable

Define "controllable"

If you mean not loosing your grip on the weapon or ending up with rounds going out at a 40° angle, sure. If you mean being able to hit what you're aiming at after the first round beyond contact distance, then no, not without a shoulder stock attachment.
 
Define "controllable"

If you mean not loosing your grip on the weapon or ending up with rounds going out at a 40° angle, sure. If you mean being able to hit what you're aiming at after the first round beyond contact distance, then no, not without a shoulder stock attachment.

I meant the rounds stayed on the range and hit in the general area i was aiming.
I thought it would be harder to hold onto than it was.

Have you ever shot one ?
 
I meant the rounds stayed on the range and hit in the general area i was aiming.
I thought it would be harder to hold onto than it was.

Have you ever shot one ?

Converted 17s, yes. Several. I'm an 07/02, plenty of experience with machine guns. "Controllable" is not an attribute machine pistols without stocks have. The 93r is closest, but you still only put rounds 2 & 3 in the general vicinity of where you're aiming.

One would be doing very well to keep half the rounds from a full auto glock on a full size silhouette from 10 yards unless you're very good at controlled bursts. Not easy to let out only 3 at a time at 1,200 RPM in a 1.5 pound handgun.

Any competent shooter can put more rounds on target in less time with a standard semi auto version of the machine pistols. They truly are spray and pray, moreso than MACs and micro Uzis.
 
I shot a converted Glock 17 with shoulder stock at a machine gun shoot years ago. Pretty sure the rear slide plate had the option of semi, 3 rd burst, or full auto. It might have been just semi and FA. With the should stock, it was very controllable, and I was easily able to walk my shots into a 100yd target shooting bursts. I'd love to be able to own one.

I used to work with a guy at a gun shop in Illinois that also worked at Krebs Custom. He frequently would bring in FA AK47's to our range to test fire. I also found those easy to control / shoot bursts with if you lean into them.
 
Converted 17s, yes. Several. I'm an 07/02, plenty of experience with machine guns. "Controllable" is not an attribute machine pistols without stocks have. The 93r is closest, but you still only put rounds 2 & 3 in the general vicinity of where you're aiming.

One would be doing very well to keep half the rounds from a full auto glock on a full size silhouette from 10 yards unless you're very good at controlled bursts. Not easy to let out only 3 at a time at 1,200 RPM in a 1.5 pound handgun.

Any competent shooter can put more rounds on target in less time with a standard semi auto version of the machine pistols. They truly are spray and pray, moreso than MACs and micro Uzis.

And in other news....water is wet.
 
The HK VP70 was surprisingly usable to 25 yards, with the stock that had the FA mechanism hooked onto it. I had the non FA version way back when and it sucked a a pistol Semi pretty much. I went to a Reno Gun range tho in 80s and rented and fired quite a bit the full auto version and it seemed a different animal, very useable ! I think putting th FA mechanism in the stock was really a great idea.

 
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