does anyone CC a single action?
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I see nothing wrong with carrying one, yes maybe not the best choice but one shot of 45lc should fix any problems you have
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If you shoot Cowboy Action and normally shoot only SA revolvers you are probably very comfortable with a SA revolver and shoot it very well. I have seen some shooters fire a SA revolver VERY fast, as fast or faster than someone shooting a DA revolver.
If you're worried about reloading quickly you can always carry a Top Break SA revolver in .45 Colt. I'm sure if you need to fire more than 6 rounds of .45 Colt the Top Break will speed up the reload a lot. Taylor's has them too and at a lower price. (and those top break revolvers come in a 3.5" Model too
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If you're worried about reloading quickly you can always carry a Top Break SA revolver in .45 Colt. I'm sure if you need to fire more than 6 rounds of .45 Colt the Top Break will speed up the reload a lot. Taylor's has them too and at a lower price. (and those top break revolvers come in a 3.5" Model too
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A carried firearm serves as defense against many, varying types of deadly threats, not necessarily a criminal with another gun: baseball bats, knives, multiple (unarmed) assailants acting in unison, wild animals, etc. In cases such as these, a single action revolver is just fine.
Carrying for self defense IS A NECESSITY. The statistical remoteness of any one (average) person being victimized by a potentially life threatening attack does not negate the fact that, on a regular basis, that is every day, someone, somewhere, is killed or seriously injured in some form of attack. Sure, chances are slim that any one certain individual will be killed or maimed in an attack, but what if, today, his number is up? I'd rather not stick my head in the metaphorical sand of the statistical remoteness. I'd rather carry.
Speaking about statistical remoteness . . . look at the stat's on gunfights: the preponderance last less than 4 seconds with fewer than 5 rounds shot (or something very close to those figures.) The chance that the choice to carry SA will be the difference between surviving an encounter or not are remote. But, this does not mean that most of us are not better off with a higher capacity, quicker reloading firearm, most are.
Carrying for self defense IS A NECESSITY. The statistical remoteness of any one (average) person being victimized by a potentially life threatening attack does not negate the fact that, on a regular basis, that is every day, someone, somewhere, is killed or seriously injured in some form of attack. Sure, chances are slim that any one certain individual will be killed or maimed in an attack, but what if, today, his number is up? I'd rather not stick my head in the metaphorical sand of the statistical remoteness. I'd rather carry.
Speaking about statistical remoteness . . . look at the stat's on gunfights: the preponderance last less than 4 seconds with fewer than 5 rounds shot (or something very close to those figures.) The chance that the choice to carry SA will be the difference between surviving an encounter or not are remote. But, this does not mean that most of us are not better off with a higher capacity, quicker reloading firearm, most are.
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I have CC'ed a USFA Single Action sixgun as an experiment. Wouldn't ya know, two gang-banger types drove up and circled us, giving us that predatory look. They didn't like the way my friend and I shifted positions while giving them even more predatory looks in return; they averted their eyes and pulled away.
Was I thinking, "Oh no, all I have is a 19th-Century relic?" No, I knew I could shoot this sixgun just fine. I was glad this event ended without shooting, because my chief would be giving me some days off to go fishing, without pay, for using an unauthorized type of weapon.
An SA sixgun is relatively slimmer than an equivalent DA sixgun. I like that. My hands are too small to shoot a Ruger Redhawk or S&W N-frame well DA, because I can't reach the trigger properly. If I have to cock the weapon, anyway, I might as well carry the SA sixgun if I want to tote a big-bore cartridge. I can shoot big bore autos, but that is a different subject; autopistols generally can't handle heavier-bullet loads, anyway.
Was I thinking, "Oh no, all I have is a 19th-Century relic?" No, I knew I could shoot this sixgun just fine. I was glad this event ended without shooting, because my chief would be giving me some days off to go fishing, without pay, for using an unauthorized type of weapon.
An SA sixgun is relatively slimmer than an equivalent DA sixgun. I like that. My hands are too small to shoot a Ruger Redhawk or S&W N-frame well DA, because I can't reach the trigger properly. If I have to cock the weapon, anyway, I might as well carry the SA sixgun if I want to tote a big-bore cartridge. I can shoot big bore autos, but that is a different subject; autopistols generally can't handle heavier-bullet loads, anyway.
jad0110
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Same here. I know a couple of guys who CC them (one I know carries a BUG), and trust me, I pitty the moron that picks a fight with either of those guys.
I guess it depends on what you like and what you are good with. Even if I owned a suitable SA revolver for carry, I wouldn't carry as I'm just not that well versed with them. To each their own.
76shuvlinoff
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I have multiple autos and one .357 4 5/8 Blackhawk. I shoot the Blackhawk as accurately as any of my bottom feeders, probably better, so if it was all I had I'd carry it and get myself proficient at reloading it.
i, usually, carry a semi-auto for SD. i, sometimes, carry a SA revolver for SD. i, personally, fire a revolver more accurately in SA. i, personally, can put holes in the bull's eye much more quickly over time by cocking and firing.
i have no qualms at all with carrying a SA wheelgun as a sidearm if you're well-practiced with it. but i'd give the same advice regardless of "should i carry _____?"
i have no qualms at all with carrying a SA wheelgun as a sidearm if you're well-practiced with it. but i'd give the same advice regardless of "should i carry _____?"
MCgunner
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The only problem I have with carrying a single action revolver, as I stated in a MUCH earlier post on this thread, is that, other than my NAA mini, they're not really pocket guns. On the positive, lord knows .45 colt will settle any arguments post haste. One good hit center mass and discussion closed. If I carried mine, I'd push a 200 grain speer JHP up around 1400 fps and live happy. If shot in the chest with something like that, no doubt they'd have to use a sieve screen to sort out the pieces of the heart. Of course, my single actions are Rugers. Out of a Ruger, .45 colt pretty much equals .44 magnum and a 200 grain bullet at 1400 fps is still a pretty mild load for the gun. Hear that, Harry Callahan?
If shot in the chest with something like that, no doubt they'd have to use a sieve screen to sort out the pieces of the heart. Of course, my single actions are Rugers. Out of a Ruger, .45 colt pretty much equals .44 magnum and a 200 grain bullet at 1400 fps is still a pretty mild load for the gun. Hear that, Harry Callahan?
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Guillermo
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I am sure that folks do it in the Southwest.
Especially under a duster
(the jacket, not an old Dodge)
Especially under a duster
(the jacket, not an old Dodge)
madcratebuilder
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I carried a SBH in a shoulder rig for a few years back in the early seventies. Not practical in milder weather. Then went to a 1911 in a shoulder rig. It's been a J frame in the pocket for many years now.
tomaz45
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I believe that a group of gun writers did a shot class at Gunsite last spring using single actions, but I haven't seen any stories in print yet. Perhaps soon we will read their opinion after going through the defensive pistol course.
Deanimator
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1. Have you tried reloading a SA revolver under stressful conditions? Remember, you have to unload the chambers ONE AT A TIME, FIRST.
2. Unless it's a modern design, like the Beretta or Ruger, it's inherently UNsafe, requiring you to load a six shot gun with only five rounds, carrying the hammer down on an unloaded chamber.
Not too long ago (in VA, I think), a guy used a repro SAA in a self-defense situation. It almost turned out very bad for him, especially after his firearm failed and he ended up HAVING to "fan" the hammer.
An SA revolver wouldn't even be my THIRD choice as a self-defense handgun, concealed or openly carried.
wheelgunslinger
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I used to carry an old model Vaquero with handloads.
I had this conversation with a guy who had a SW Sigma. He was complaining that I didn't have enough ammo to do the job. Whatever job that might be.
I worked way back in the woods back then. I was also in my early 20's and was a crack shot with the 45 Colt Bi-Quero. He was a suburbanite who lived in a McMansion and worked in an office.
I agree with what Deanimator has written above^^
I would only add that concealability is the biggest issue I have with single actions. Even a bird's head Vaquero is a tough one to conceal and not print, unless you use a shoulder rig.
However, if you can shoot, and if you have a nice modern gun, and if you are okay playing the odds of not running into multiple assailants, a single action is a good choice.
Carrying a single action is not for people who spend more time talking about guns on the internet or in gun shops than they do actually shooting and developing skill with one.
This is why when you see a guy carrying one, and see that it's in a very nice or very worn holster, that you can generally assess just how good he is with that SA gun.
SA revolvers also make great barbecue guns.
Would I carry one now? Well, now I carry DA revolvers, but I would carry a 45 colt powered SA gun if I found one that would fit the job as well as a J or K frame sized DA gun.
Either way, I'm not the spray and pray type. I will make the first shot count.
I think this is true of most people who carry and are practiced with revolvers of any type though.
I had this conversation with a guy who had a SW Sigma. He was complaining that I didn't have enough ammo to do the job. Whatever job that might be.
I worked way back in the woods back then. I was also in my early 20's and was a crack shot with the 45 Colt Bi-Quero. He was a suburbanite who lived in a McMansion and worked in an office.
I agree with what Deanimator has written above^^
I would only add that concealability is the biggest issue I have with single actions. Even a bird's head Vaquero is a tough one to conceal and not print, unless you use a shoulder rig.
However, if you can shoot, and if you have a nice modern gun, and if you are okay playing the odds of not running into multiple assailants, a single action is a good choice.
Carrying a single action is not for people who spend more time talking about guns on the internet or in gun shops than they do actually shooting and developing skill with one.
This is why when you see a guy carrying one, and see that it's in a very nice or very worn holster, that you can generally assess just how good he is with that SA gun.
SA revolvers also make great barbecue guns.
Would I carry one now? Well, now I carry DA revolvers, but I would carry a 45 colt powered SA gun if I found one that would fit the job as well as a J or K frame sized DA gun.
Either way, I'm not the spray and pray type. I will make the first shot count.
I think this is true of most people who carry and are practiced with revolvers of any type though.
The argument about slowness in reloading a s/a revolver is moot in most cases since gun fights usually consist of 2 maybe 3 shots. Any gun is better than no gun. That guy shooting the single action will probably be just as good if not better than the bad guy. It's about attitude and resolve.
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Exactly. It's better to feel comfortable and confident carrying what you prefer.
The way some people talk you'd think a Glock or double stack 1911 with two spare mags loaded is the bare minimum. Way I see it, if I need more than one cylinder full, I'm going for the mossberg or the rifle. Plain and simple.
If you are good at using a particular style of gun, and are comfortable carrying it, then what others think is of no consequence.
Carry what you shoot. Run what you brung, etc etc. It's the right thing to do.
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FIRST, let me say I'd rather have one of my Ruger/Uberti Cowboy revolvers then my NAA .22 if push came to shove --- BUT
To the first quote above ----- IF and a BIG IF , you do need more then one cylinder full , how are you going to get to your Mossberg ???
To the 2nd quote above ---- you say "most cases and usually" ---- not sure I'd bet my life or loved ones on "usually" !!!
Can a SA revolver be used for defense ?? YES !!! Are there "better" and more modern weapons ?? YES !!!
I would guess that 99% of the people who carry firearms in potential Life Threating areas ---- ALL CARRY EXTRA AMMO !!! Reloading is the main drawback to a SA revolver.
To put this thing into perspective, I would not mind starting a gunfight with a revolver, SA or DA, as I am confident of placing the shots. After five, or six, though, if the fight is still happening, something has to be done about it, right quickly. The advantage of a DA revolver or semiauto pistol is that they require LESS MANIPULATION at reloading time. Most autos have the additional advantage of holding significantly more rounds. ("Less Manipulation" is a Clint Smith term; gotta give credit, and he stated this in regard to defensive single action sixguns.)
Once the SA sixgun is empty, I would want to reach for a second weapon. Know what? I usually carry two handguns now, anyway, and the second one is usually a full-sized fightin' pistol, like the first one. (There is nothing "compact" about a P229, even if the barrel is 3.9" in length; a mere one-tenth of an inch does not a compact make.)
A sixgun, with over 4" of barrel, really shines when shooting at distance. The balance of any SA sixgun, with 4-3/4" of barrel, or more, makes it a better "pointer" than most handguns; pointability matters most at short range. So, the SA sixgun DOES have a couple of advantages. Sometimes pointability and long-range ability will be more imoportant than the number of round in the gun, and sometimes the ammo capacity will matter more. Perhaps the best of both worlds would be one sixgun and one double-stack autoloader? Of course, this would only be feasible for those willing to tote two substantial pistols. (Yes, revolvers ARE pistols; look it up.)
As for concealability, an SAA rides quite comfortably on my hip, and the drape of the cover garment can hide an SAA at 0330 just as well as a double-stack; actually, BETTER than the double-stack. The SAA-sized grip frame is actually quite compact, the the balance point of the sixgun is well down inside the holster.
In summary, I can conceal an SA sixgun well enough, and it rides comfortably. Its superior pointability might allow me to STOP a close-range fight before ammo capacity becomes an issue. It long-range shootability, due to that beautifully long sight radius, might allow me to STOP a long-range fight before ammo capacity becomes an issue. I am far from helpless when toting such a sixgun.
I am NOT recommending that anyone tote an SA sixgun for personal defense, OK? I don't normally do so myself. But, hmm, I wonder if USFA will make a run of sixguns in .40 S&W, to match the chambering of my duty/carry SIGs?
Once the SA sixgun is empty, I would want to reach for a second weapon. Know what? I usually carry two handguns now, anyway, and the second one is usually a full-sized fightin' pistol, like the first one. (There is nothing "compact" about a P229, even if the barrel is 3.9" in length; a mere one-tenth of an inch does not a compact make.)
A sixgun, with over 4" of barrel, really shines when shooting at distance. The balance of any SA sixgun, with 4-3/4" of barrel, or more, makes it a better "pointer" than most handguns; pointability matters most at short range. So, the SA sixgun DOES have a couple of advantages. Sometimes pointability and long-range ability will be more imoportant than the number of round in the gun, and sometimes the ammo capacity will matter more. Perhaps the best of both worlds would be one sixgun and one double-stack autoloader? Of course, this would only be feasible for those willing to tote two substantial pistols. (Yes, revolvers ARE pistols; look it up.)
As for concealability, an SAA rides quite comfortably on my hip, and the drape of the cover garment can hide an SAA at 0330 just as well as a double-stack; actually, BETTER than the double-stack. The SAA-sized grip frame is actually quite compact, the the balance point of the sixgun is well down inside the holster.
In summary, I can conceal an SA sixgun well enough, and it rides comfortably. Its superior pointability might allow me to STOP a close-range fight before ammo capacity becomes an issue. It long-range shootability, due to that beautifully long sight radius, might allow me to STOP a long-range fight before ammo capacity becomes an issue. I am far from helpless when toting such a sixgun.
I am NOT recommending that anyone tote an SA sixgun for personal defense, OK? I don't normally do so myself. But, hmm, I wonder if USFA will make a run of sixguns in .40 S&W, to match the chambering of my duty/carry SIGs?
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My new CCW holster the wife got me for Christmas. Rides up high on either
side. I carry it crossdraw. Ruger 45 Colt Ammo 255 gr Keith 1000 fps.
Holster from Mernickle.
side. I carry it crossdraw. Ruger 45 Colt Ammo 255 gr Keith 1000 fps.
Holster from Mernickle.
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Actually a colt peacemaker is a fairly easy gun to conceal, and not all that heavy in a 4.75 or 5.5 barrel length, and the grip is fairly small, which helps. Frankly, if I had to standup in a close range, knockdown drag out, gunfight, I would much prefer a Colt 45 Peacemaker to a .38 chief Special, because I am probably not going to get to reload anyway, at least until after the fight is decided.
Sometimes I carry a Peacemaker, around my normal stomping grounds, but usually, my choice leans more towards a Lightweight commander
Sometimes I carry a Peacemaker, around my normal stomping grounds, but usually, my choice leans more towards a Lightweight commander
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I took a Basic Defensive Handgun course last year with the Rangemaster of the above mentioned course, Larry Mudgett. He is a big SASS shooter and was telling me of some experiments he'd been doing with the single action revolver vs the modern auto pistol. Basically for the first few shots, it was a wash. He said he was going to write up an article for publication but I never saw it anywhere.
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[email protected], That is a slick rig! Hmm, maybe the ol' Blackhawk could work with that. It might dig in to my overly plump belly fat seated in the car, though, if carried crossdraw. LOL But, crossdraw is excellent if you can pull it off if you spend a lot of time behind the wheel.
Ya know, as to reloads, a NY reload is a lot faster than speedloaders. Nothing to say I can't keep my .38 or 9mm subcompact in my pocket while I carry my cannon on the belt, right?
I think wheelgunslinger knocked it out of the park. I can't add much to that post.
It might dig in to my overly plump belly fat seated in the car, though, if carried crossdraw. LOL But, crossdraw is excellent if you can pull it off if you spend a lot of time behind the wheel. Ya know, as to reloads, a NY reload is a lot faster than speedloaders. Nothing to say I can't keep my .38 or 9mm subcompact in my pocket while I carry my cannon on the belt, right?
I think wheelgunslinger knocked it out of the park. I can't add much to that post.
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