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You don't find it at all odd that they spent somewhere between an hour and a half and two hours searching for -
1) something that did not exist (as it was Nine Hundred Miles away)
2) something they had no reasonable suspicion existed (as the policy of Florida is not to release licensing information to outside parties)

And the reason they kicked him loose' after detaining him for an unreasonable amount of time instead of citing him for an infraction the MTOD officer was practically guaranteed to win in court (your word that you weren't speeding against a 'sworn officer of the law's word that you were) is because he would then lack standing to bring suit against MTDO and Maryland as he was not "injured" by the MTOD's actions.

Yes, it is odd. It shows that the cop was a jerk. Some are, most aren't. It doesn't show a coordinated effort by Massachusetts cops to hassle out-of-state drivers with concealed carry licenses.

When I was in college I got stopped by a cop on the way to work at 3:30 am for going 33 mph in a 30 mph zone. The cop very aggressively asked if I had been drinking. I said, "No sir, I'm just on my way to work". He had me get out of the car, do a field sobriety test, and blow into the breathalyzer. (0.0000) Then he went back to his car and spent his sweat time running my license and registration. All told he made me an hour late for work, and still wrote me the ticket for 33 in a 30 mph zone. I almost lost my job and was on probation for being late to work. What does that prove? The cop was a jerk and on a power trip. He just messed with me because he could and it passed the time on the graveyard shift.
 
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One might even ask, "If Florida does not release weapons licensing information, how did the MTAP officer, Nine Hundred Miles away just happen to come by the information that Mr Filippdis had a Florida license?

It wasn't from the Dept of Agriculture who has the database and LEO doesn't have access to it. They can request information, just ;like any other agency.
 
4thPointOfContact said:
Spats McGee said:
In Arkansas, if the officer runs a DL# through ACIC (Arkansas Crime Information Center), CHCL information pops up in the driver's record. I've had "official contact" with officers on 3 separate occasions since I got my CHCL, and I was carrying every time. Because AR is also a shall-inform state, I did so. Every time, I got the equivalent of, "OK. Just don't get it out" from the officers.
A small correction if I may...
What I'm sure you mean is "... if the officer runs an ARKANSAS (or other state that shares licensing information) Driver's license through ACIC..." <snip> . . . .
Fair enough. Not all states report DL & record data to NCIC, much less concealed handgun license holder information. Even if it is reported to NCIC, the formats can vary pretty wildly once it comes up in ACIC, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.
 
It's interesting that in Virginia, concealed-carry licenses are tied to the vehicle license plate database, while state machine gun registrations are not. One way of looking at this is that in Virginia, it's "safer" (regarding possible police abuse) to be a machine gun owner than it is to be a concealed carrier. That said, Virginia is a "Uniform Machine Gun Act" state, meaning that it has some strange (and vague) rules regarding MG's.

http://bighammer.net/mg.html

ETA: It's also ironic that in Maryland, where it's practically impossible to get a concealed-carry license, the process for obtaining a machine gun is even more streamlined than in Virginia (in Maryland, the CLEO signoff is centralized at the State Police level). BTW, Maryland is also a "Uniform Machine Gun Act" state, with registration with the State Police. I'm not sure if Maryland links MG registrations with its license plate database.
 
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Not sure if this is true or not, but I've taken the test and have to meet the proper authorities in June to get the CCW permit. Regarding this discussion, I think that if I were ever stopped by the police for a driving concern, I would immediately hand him both my license and the permit, regardless of whether I had a weapon in the car.

I think I may have read about this in a thread here in the forums - I suspect it would re-assure the police that I'm not someone to be worried about. I'd probably hand him my NRA card at the same time if I had it with me.
 
So what I'm getting from this discussion is that there seem to be some members who are so concerned with how their possible interaction with police, during routine traffic stops while exercising a legal right, may go that they are actually forgoing arming themselves and are thus diminishing their own capability for self-defense and defense of family.

Oh, and some are also worried about "getting the third degree" when they enter foreign countries ...

Heavy sigh ...
 
Its my understanding that the cops like us in TX.

Been pulled over a few times for this and that

No ticket

That's what I was lead to believe in two CHL classes I've been in. From my own experience, the CHL meant jack squat as far as leniency. In Harris County anyway.

Edit to add, the ticket is still written but no hassles over firearms.
 
In Virginia, yes, it's tied to your license. They'll run your plate and know you have a permit. That's why I instead opted to keep my Arizona permit, which Virginia honors. I don't want a cop prejudging me based on that. I moved to Virginia from Arizona in October 2012, and just renewed my permit in February of this year.
 
empty the Expedition of riders, luggage, Christmas gifts, laundry bags; to pat down Kally and Yianni; to explore the engine compartment and probe inside door panels; and to separate and isolate the Filippidises in the back seats of the patrol cars. - See more at: http://tbo.com/list/columns-tjackso...me-in-maryland-20140112/#sthash.cO1TVfXT.dpuf


Similar thing happened to me at the Canadian Border when the friend driving the truck smarted off to the Border Guard after the guard spotted drywall dust on the dashboard(my friend was a drywaller). Didn't make me stop going to Canada fishing.


If folks are going to not get a permit and carry concealed at all, or CWC illegally because of the fear of the minute chance of encountering a rogue cop, hell bent on harassing law abiding citizens, so be it. Odds are they are worried about Alien Abduction and Black Helicopters too..........
 
Great thread, and excellent question.
Frankly, it's the reason why I don't carry currently.
If I got an OH CCW license, it would ring alarm bells whenever a cop runs my plate. It's all tied in.
No thanks.
What? So it's better in your opinion to definitely leave yourself and loved ones unprotected than to possibly be known as a gun owner? What kind of alarms bells do you fear? Is it really that bad in Ohio?

My wife and I went to day long training (two range sessions with each shooter having a dedicated mentor) put on by our county's sheriffs department. Their official position was the more honest, responsible gun owners out there the easier and safer their job was.

I have never before in my life been so glad I live in the great state of Georgia. How does that saying go, "There but for the grace of God go I." Georgia's not perfect, but when it comes to guns, freedoms and self protection, Georgia is tops. And yes, my wife and I have both had cause to defend ourselves. The only comment made to my wife was from a female deputy. She said the only mistake my wife made in her incident was she didn't shoot the guy. I'm not so sure about that, but I'm here to tell you LEOs in our area are just good people. I feel sorry for those who fear the police, but that's not something we have to deal with.
 
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Wow, is the NC database still public?

I'm actually a lot more concerned about a public database than I am the police. I would assume police deal with armed criminals daily, why would they care about a law abiding citizen who had to jump through hoops and get training and checked and who is required by law to notify him (in NC)? I was curious about the MD incident though and wondered if I would have issues going back home to visit family in NJ (where I wouldn't/couldn't carry).

But the idea that criminals could be browsing a database looking for a place to steal guns or neighbors could be snooping into my business is a little more disconcerting. Especially if people are publishing the information.

None of this is stopping me (or my wife) from getting our CCPs but it did give me some cause for concern.
 
Is it really that bad in Ohio?

No.



On the flip side of that, we had a Canton, OH city police officer started screaming, cursing, and being abusive to a lawful CCW holder in a traffic stop, and he was fired based on his own dash cam video which is all over youtube now.
 
In Minnesota this does show up when you run a plate or DL number... with the obvious caveat that the person who shows up when you run a plate is the registered owner of the vehicle whose plates were run... who may not be the driver or even a passenger in the vehicle.

Any license endorsements (including firearms) also show up when the license is run.
 
What? So it's better in your opinion to definitely leave yourself and loved ones unprotected than to possibly be known as a gun owner?

This is perfectly logical if someone believes the odds of being hassled by law enforcement are greater than needing to have a concealed firearm to defend themselves.
 
This is perfectly logical if someone believes the odds of being hassled by law enforcement are greater than needing to have a concealed firearm to defend themselves.
But one of those ends in being annoyed where the other ends in assault, and possibly death. Regardless of the likelihood of each, the actual end result of each scenario has to weigh into the risk/reward calculation.

Here in SC we have to let an officer know that we're carrying. I just hand over my CWP when I hand them my DL. The worst thing I've ever had happen was an officer asked me to put my gun in my glovebox while he did the paperwork (issuing a ticket to a guy that rear-ended me). Even if one of them really freaks out one day it won't stop me from carrying.
 
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Our Daughter got the third degree from a small town cop when she was pulled over coming around a speed trap corner. He kept asking her all kinds of questions and made her explain what she was doing in Northeast Texas and gave an OSHA inspection of the kids car seats.

She realized after awhile and his climbing all over the car that it was her CHL he was mad about from the questions he was asking.

She has several friends in law enforcement and one did the smell test on this guy with a friend he has from the area and the cop in question has a real history of being moved around different small town departments.

That said...many officers from what I've been told actually appreciate a license holder because it gives them an immediate heads up who they are dealing with.
 
Like many others have said, no, you should not be worried about it. Do things like this happen, yes, but that's no reason not to exercise your constitutional right or to give up the means to protect yourself and your family. These incidents are few and far between and rarely (if ever) lead to anything other than an inconvenience.

To all those who are worried, all I can say is don't let yourself be bullied into giving up your rights.
 
What? So it's better in your opinion to definitely leave yourself and loved ones unprotected than to possibly be known as a gun owner? What kind of alarms bells do you fear? Is it really that bad in Ohio?
‘You Fu** With Me!’: Ohio Cop Threatens to Kill Ohio Concealed Carry Gun Owner During Traffic Stop in Ohio
“I could blast you in the mouth right now!” the Canton, Ohio police officer says in the video after finding out about the Ohio man’s gun. “I’m so close to caving in your Godda**ed head,” he adds. “You f!** with me! You’re just a stupid human being!”

He continues: “F!**ing talking to me with a G!!!***ed gun! You want me to pull mine and stick it to your head? … I tell you what I should have done. As soon as I saw your gun I should have taken two steps back, pulled my Glock 40 and put ten bullets in your ass and let you drop.”

“And I wouldn’t have lost any sleep!” he screams.

The Ohio officer can also be heard threatening to “put lumps” on a woman also involved in the traffic stop.
 
^That says it all. Do not volunteer information unless under the color of law. Ohio is one of only 9 states where you must notify on official contact. Not a very good law as 41 other states recognize.

It (the gun introduction) almost always escalates the tension. Working along side cops for 20 years, I know that is the gospel truth.
 
71 posts before someone posts the Canton Harless incident! A new THR record for any thread even peripherally concerned with law enforcement in America!

Upon further review, I submit that people who do not avail themselves of their legal right to carry firearms -- because they are fearful of even the remotest of consequences -- are people who choose to live in fear. People who live in fear should not carry weapons.

As Clint said in Magnum Force (paraphrased): "A man's gotta know his limitations."

Good call then, fellas. Carry on!
 
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