Does this mean tons of surplus IMI rifle ammo in the future?

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http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/411289|top|06-24-2004::18:06|reuters.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Israeli-made bullets bought by the U.S. Army to plug a shortfall should be used for training only, not to fight Muslim guerrillas in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. lawmakers told Army generals on Thursday.

Since the Army has other stockpiled ammunition, "by no means, under any circumstances should a round (from Israel) be utilized," said Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, the top Democrat on a House of Representatives Armed Services subcommittee with jurisdiction over land forces.

The Army contracted with Israel Military Industries Ltd. in December for $70 million in small-caliber ammunition.
 
Another idiot that has no business being in public office. And just who is going to know what the "nationality" of a bullet is that's going downrange (or at the head of a terrorist)? Are the Afgan or Iraqi terrorists going to care where their ammo comes from?
 
I am with George, Who gives a Rat's A$* where we get the ammo, where it used, and on whom. The Lake City ammo is just as deadly as IMI's. BTW, I Reload useing IMI bullets and brass for .223, 30-06, and 45ACP. All top notch stuff
 
7.62, Yeah I thought about that when I read it. Still thou, I am sure there are some Christans working in the American ammo plants.
 
You can guarantee that Israeli ammo is Kosher! If I were the US Government, I would specify pig-based lubricant be used in all bullet-making machinery. Let's put some pig oil in our CLP. How about using pig-fat as a lubricant for the threads on bomb fuses!

Heck, if I were a Muslim, I'd make DARNED sure the bullets came from Israel. Hebrew National bullets ensure they get their 72 virgins.
 
Do they mean bullets or fully loaded headstamped ammo? If it's only the bullets, just take the yarmulkes off'n 'em. Otherwise send it over here. We'll buy it. I'll even shoot it while eating a ham sandwich.:D
 
I'm sure the brass is marked IMI - it's really good stuff, by all accounts I've heard. IMI brass is ranked up there with Lake City by some match rifle shooters. My buddy complains that it doesn't trim on his lathe (inner diameter is different or something).

I was trying to see the silver lining in this story, being a huge fan of quality surplus ammo. ;)
 
To my mind the real issue is that we do not have the production capacity to handle a two bit war.

I got involved in a "discussion" with Maj.Gen. Goddard about the issue 7-8 years ago when we sold off a GOCO powder plant to Fiocchi as part of the Clinton program to reduce the National Strategic Reserve.
He said " it isn't like they are going to pack it up and send it to Italy, we can take it back if we really need it." They carried it off to Italy.

Greatest industrial power on the planet and we can't make enough ammo to save our own @$$.

My Official 2 cents worth.

Sam
 
And if John Kerry wins and the Dems retake both houses of Congress, THIS is the mindset that will be leading our troops.
 
I'm sure the moslems would be upset over ammo from Israel. After all, they're still mad about the crusades a thousand years ago, like it was last week. Logic and common sense doesn't apply to their way of thinking.
 
Hey, it's not as if they couldn't order it with no headstamp at all.
The CIA has been known to use that tactic for many years.

We should have the capacity to make more than we could ever use.
Any extra could go to allies or extra practice...

or cheap surplus. :D
 
Any extra could go to allies or extra practice...
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Amen to the extra practice, WilderBill! To their credit, Army powers that be are finally waking up to the lack of marksmanship training in the military and actually doing something about it according to the following thread posted in competition forum. Especially interesting were comments made by the students after completing the marksmanship training.


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88135

To my mind the real issue is that we do not have the production capacity to handle a two bit war.
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Sam, between the lack of ability to produce necessary materiel and lack of marksmanship training, both of which were curtailed during the Clinton years, we have been painted into a serious corner IMHO. God help us this coming November!

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hps

Don't know why the above link will not work???? You can find the thread in Competition Shooting venue of this forum and then scroll down to: Army turns to Civilian Marksmen for Rifle Instructors
 
Sam:
To my mind the real issue is that we do not have the production capacity to handle a two bit war.
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We've had that prolem for 30 years. The national strategy was to have enough stockpiled materiel (including cartridges) to last the period of time that it would take to build up to wartime production. All of the plans I saw, however, expected to use the same resources everybody else planned to use to increase production, so it never appeared to me that we "could get there from here."

Not the first time and won't be the last. In Vietnam we had F-105 aircraft diving through dense AAA to strafe steel and concrete bridges with 20MM gunfire because there weren't enough bombs to arm all of the aircraft.

Jaywalker
 
Are the Afgan or Iraqi terrorists going to care where their ammo comes from?
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I'll put it more bluntly than some of our prior posters have:

You can bet your ***** that those racist turds DO and WILL care where the ammo comes from. They already hate us for being "infidels" and "decadent". Among MANY other things, we make our women wear clothes. Oh, oops, that was the Ferengi's original complaint. We don't make our women wear enough clothes and only a few counties in OK and maybe a few other states are "dry" and without liquor.

They'll hate us more if we kill their beloved terrorist brothers/fathers/sons/sisters, etc. with "Zionist" ammo.

Hmmm... so what difference would that make anyway? The Hawaiian Congresscritter suffers from critically serious brain dysfunction. Maybe he's descended from the racist pre-WWII Japanese culture (it's far less common now...) and just happened into the English name by accident of a single ancestral marriage.
To my mind the real issue is that we do not have the production capacity to handle a two bit war.
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As noted and quoted previously, this is truly a concern. It would be sad if I had to lend-lease my ammo to my own government.:fire:
 
There's another reason why we're using IMI ammo over there.

Do these guys have any idea what it costs to ship a few million rounds from the mid-west USA to the Mideast? $$$$$.

I am not understanding why I need to be paying more taxes for a totally unnecessary and unreasonable stunt like this. It's pure waste.
 
Hey, Grump -

Not to hijack the thread or anything, but Oklahoma doesn't have dry counties - Texas, Kansas, Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kentucky, and maybe one or two others, but not Oklahoma!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion thread...
 
Alaska , has a few dry towns also .



I can understand why they are not useing IMI over there , but at the same time . I think they should leak that they are anyway .
 
Let us use up our 5.56 reserves and go to the exellent new 6.5 mm instead. We are replacing the M16/M4 with a new rifle and the M249s are mostly worn out. So now is the best time to bring in a new caliber and the 6.8 is a very good round.

I live a few miles from the Lake City plant.

As for our Islam friends the more Jewish the ammo the better.
 
Thread drifting...

On some topics, everything east of the Four Corners is a blur to me. :uhoh:

flame suit on--no offense currently intended to our friends in this area, but... As pre-teens, my older brother and I used to look at the globe and/or the U.S. map and crow about how those Texans thought they were out West but really weren't.

Yeah, I totally agree on the shipping issue. Even if we go to the Grendel (best) or the 6.8 SPC (which should remain w/ specialized units only until their guns need armory service), we will have need for 5.56 stocks for 20 more years of phase-out of the "old".
 
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