Shawn Dodson
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The sign at my front door:
Welcome!
Please...
No peddlers
No politicians
No church folks
Thank you.
Welcome!
Please...
No peddlers
No politicians
No church folks
Thank you.
Door to door salesmen
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millertyme
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I never implied that you use drugs. All I stated was that the level of paranoia you're exhibiting is reminiscent of that of meth addicts. And I agree with you 100% about being able to go online, find decent research on subjects, and order accordingly. However, only 61% of the households in the US have internet. Just because you don't have any use for a service doesn't mean someone living nearby will not.
Fireside -
I would ammend this by stating that you never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot or destroy. I consider myself willing to shoot a person, but I have yet to intend to do so and have thus never pointed a firearm at one.
Fireside -
I would ammend this by stating that you never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot or destroy. I consider myself willing to shoot a person, but I have yet to intend to do so and have thus never pointed a firearm at one.
Otto
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When a solicitor knocks on the door I call 911. This happened three weeks ago and the police had him in twenty minutes. Since I live in a gated community, the solicitor was trespassing.
If you want to piss off a solicitor, snap his picture when you open the door.
If you want to piss off a solicitor, snap his picture when you open the door.
inherentical
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You fool! Those little demons will just keep selling door to door unless you stop them. One darn near cleaned me out the other day when I bought 22 boxes of cookies from her. I just couldn't stop!
Texas Gun Person
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I'll open the door for people. What if it's PCH... 
I also buy Girl Scout cookies when they are being sold... I'll always open the door for some cookies.
I also buy Girl Scout cookies when they are being sold... I'll always open the door for some cookies.
I spent a few weeks selling vacuums door to door. Some people make substantial amounts of money this way. I didn't, in part because the place where I worked was sort of cliquish, with those in the center managing to get all the good sales and those of us on the outside doing all the legwork for them.
A few things to point out:
That job was absolutely perfect for a criminal. I can not count the number of houses I saw where the garage was open with no one home, the door was opened without first being unlocked, or any number of other gross violations of basic security. I also got to see what was in many people's houses without even setting foot inside.
A few basic precautions are in order. Lock your doors. A security door is a good idea. They allow you to see each other well enough to talk comfortably, and you can hear each other just fine, but you can't really see what's in the house. Keep your windows and garages closed and locked if you aren't home. A knock on the door to confirm no one is home, a knife through your screen, and no one will ever notice.
That being said, there is no reason to be rude to someone. There are a limited number of ways to advertise your product. Door to door sales can be rather effective, and if you don't like it, say no, or put up a no soliciting sign. Make sure it's kind of obvious, I tried to respect those, but I wasn't going out of my way to search for them before I rang a doorbell. If you really just don't want people coming on your property, put up a fence and lock the gate or put a no soliciting sign there at the gate. If people don't leave when you ask them to, if they ignore your signs/gates, then you can reasonably see them as being rude to you and you can return the favor. There is no reason to be rude off the bat though.
A few things to point out:
That job was absolutely perfect for a criminal. I can not count the number of houses I saw where the garage was open with no one home, the door was opened without first being unlocked, or any number of other gross violations of basic security. I also got to see what was in many people's houses without even setting foot inside.
A few basic precautions are in order. Lock your doors. A security door is a good idea. They allow you to see each other well enough to talk comfortably, and you can hear each other just fine, but you can't really see what's in the house. Keep your windows and garages closed and locked if you aren't home. A knock on the door to confirm no one is home, a knife through your screen, and no one will ever notice.
That being said, there is no reason to be rude to someone. There are a limited number of ways to advertise your product. Door to door sales can be rather effective, and if you don't like it, say no, or put up a no soliciting sign. Make sure it's kind of obvious, I tried to respect those, but I wasn't going out of my way to search for them before I rang a doorbell. If you really just don't want people coming on your property, put up a fence and lock the gate or put a no soliciting sign there at the gate. If people don't leave when you ask them to, if they ignore your signs/gates, then you can reasonably see them as being rude to you and you can return the favor. There is no reason to be rude off the bat though.
Fireside, I am governed by the Cooper System and my understanding of the Law in my state. I dont hold people at gunpoint exactly. However learning, practicing and actually drawing from concealed holster to engage a paper target regularly at the range in all weathers really improves my confidence that if I must, I can do it.
The State Prosecutor will have the final say if such a day ever comes.
I am sorry if I offended anyone. My intent is to discourage people coming to the home. They are a unwelcome and random opportunity for crime.
If we were able, we would sell out, move out to a place that is way out up against a national park land and very difficult to get to. That being said, we still want a walmart not too far away LOL.
Millertyme, I take your point and concede that people dont always have internet. All I can say is that we need to do what is necessary to ensure security.
I grew up in a community way back in the 60's where no house was locked. Any child could run into any of the 500 homes in our division at any time and seek refuge from that stranger. Or... free lunch, hydrate, snacks or whatever. Parents took up each others calls at dinner time from the porch all over the place adding everyone's name to the roll.
Today's way of life in the area is that of a armed camp. No activity outside unless it is necessary.
How sad.
I wish everyone peace and love. Take it easy out there.
The State Prosecutor will have the final say if such a day ever comes.
I am sorry if I offended anyone. My intent is to discourage people coming to the home. They are a unwelcome and random opportunity for crime.
If we were able, we would sell out, move out to a place that is way out up against a national park land and very difficult to get to. That being said, we still want a walmart not too far away LOL.
Millertyme, I take your point and concede that people dont always have internet. All I can say is that we need to do what is necessary to ensure security.
I grew up in a community way back in the 60's where no house was locked. Any child could run into any of the 500 homes in our division at any time and seek refuge from that stranger. Or... free lunch, hydrate, snacks or whatever. Parents took up each others calls at dinner time from the porch all over the place adding everyone's name to the roll.
Today's way of life in the area is that of a armed camp. No activity outside unless it is necessary.
How sad.
I wish everyone peace and love. Take it easy out there.
millertyme
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FishBait -
Point taken. I live in a community where doors are oftentimes left unlocked, people know most of their neighbors, and kids play in the parks with very little supervision. However, firearms are not permitted in my community and the Supreme Court has upheld that decision and I'm ok with that. I know most of the cops by first name and regularly see them doing rounds through the neighborhoods, I'm sort of the captain of something like a block watch (sorry for the vagueness, don't want dirtbags in my neighborhood). per capita, we are the safest community in our county. I found a parcel land up in the White Mountains of Arizona on the edge of a butte with only one road to the top and it passes in plain view of the front of the butte. Had I enough money I'd buy it up and homeschool the children. But things being what they are, I'll likely find myself living in a neighborhood like most the others and when that time comes I'll have to make a decision concerning what level of engagement to proceed with when confronted by solicitors.
Point taken. I live in a community where doors are oftentimes left unlocked, people know most of their neighbors, and kids play in the parks with very little supervision. However, firearms are not permitted in my community and the Supreme Court has upheld that decision and I'm ok with that. I know most of the cops by first name and regularly see them doing rounds through the neighborhoods, I'm sort of the captain of something like a block watch (sorry for the vagueness, don't want dirtbags in my neighborhood). per capita, we are the safest community in our county. I found a parcel land up in the White Mountains of Arizona on the edge of a butte with only one road to the top and it passes in plain view of the front of the butte. Had I enough money I'd buy it up and homeschool the children. But things being what they are, I'll likely find myself living in a neighborhood like most the others and when that time comes I'll have to make a decision concerning what level of engagement to proceed with when confronted by solicitors.
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rm23
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This question may sound stupid, but do you mean you cannot own a firearm or you cannot open carry?
millertyme
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You can own firearms, you just cannot carry under any circumstances neither can you keep firearms in your home.
rm23
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Are you kidding?
Can the police search your house without cause, too?
Sounds like a bunch of progessive types succeeded in making their own little utopia.
Can the police search your house without cause, too?
Sounds like a bunch of progessive types succeeded in making their own little utopia.
Buddy Rabbit
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Millertyme said:
You live in AZ, right . . . how is it that you cannot keep firearms in your home?
Please tell me that it's not a HOA mandate . . . is it ?
millertyme
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Not an HOA, just a community where you aren't allowed to possess or carry friearms. It's legit and the SCOTUS recently ruled to keep communities like mine this way.
A community? Are you in Arizona? Or are you on an Indian reservation within Arizona? Because if you are not on a reservation, that sounds like a load of crap, the State law pre-empts them from being able to do that, and frankly, I don't remember hearing anything out of SCOTUS about this sort of thing, and I tend to hear about gun related SCOTUS cases.
ccsniper
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My gate is very loud when opened, so I know when someone is coming to my door. I always surprise them and open the door when they are still 10 yards away. That has never failed to stop them in their tracks and state whatever business they may have or want with me. If they start running for the door or begin to try and pull something out of their pocket (never happened but I want to know what I will do before time) I still have time to close the door, lock it and retrieve a firearm to defend myself if the need arises. But I say again, Me opening the door while they are still 30 to 40 feet away has always caught them off guard and surprises them to a sudden stop.
ccsniper
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Those little demons can conjure up a spell too, made me buy almost 2 dozen samoas!!! I ate about 4 boxes that day and had to go looking for another crate. They must put cocaine into those cookies.
Jefferson Herb
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door to door
If you want to keep folks away,fence your yard and let loose a big dog [gate locked] and dog doo visible to step in.
Some think I'm paranoid,I guess if one wants to play,the request should be honored.What ever happened to a smile and a loaded colt?
If you want to keep folks away,fence your yard and let loose a big dog [gate locked] and dog doo visible to step in.
Some think I'm paranoid,I guess if one wants to play,the request should be honored.What ever happened to a smile and a loaded colt?
xcgates
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Gee, what happened to common sense and some decency? I've been helped out of a couple sticky situations when my vehicle has broken down. One particular time, an elderly couple brought me inside, put some of my clothes in their dryer, and gave me some very nice homemade dinner. So I was warm, relatively dry, and could take my time in calling around to figure out what I was going to do. I even got myself and bike a free lift a good 20 miles to a friend's house by a gentleman I had met earlier in the day. (My bike had broken down in the middle of nowhere, in the pouring rain.)
I sure hope that I will be able to repay what people have done to help me out when I have the ability. Are those of you who are, to put it politely, overly cautious, living in urban settings? Because I have noticed that people are less likely to help you out the more developed an area is.
::EDIT:: I also had a nice conversation and some very appreciated cool water with a gentleman near my house when I was pushing my bike home, when a shakedown run didn't go as planned. Then, another guy stopped a bit later, and retrieved a trailer, and gave me a lift the rest of the way home. That is what I hope to be able to pay forward. As it is, all my friends who ride know I will have a trailer in a couple months, and would not have a problem grabbing them if there were a problem. I also stop when I see people on the side of the road to make sure they are all right, and a couple of times I've been able to help them out, occasionally mechanically, occasionally with just a phone call.
I sure hope that I will be able to repay what people have done to help me out when I have the ability. Are those of you who are, to put it politely, overly cautious, living in urban settings? Because I have noticed that people are less likely to help you out the more developed an area is.
::EDIT:: I also had a nice conversation and some very appreciated cool water with a gentleman near my house when I was pushing my bike home, when a shakedown run didn't go as planned. Then, another guy stopped a bit later, and retrieved a trailer, and gave me a lift the rest of the way home. That is what I hope to be able to pay forward. As it is, all my friends who ride know I will have a trailer in a couple months, and would not have a problem grabbing them if there were a problem. I also stop when I see people on the side of the road to make sure they are all right, and a couple of times I've been able to help them out, occasionally mechanically, occasionally with just a phone call.
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Gouranga
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I have mixed feelings on these people. On one hand, the VAST majority of them are folks trying to make a buck. It is a bad business model though. Cold calls on a good day will get you 2%-5% success in sales. This day and age going door to door gives you less than that.
We have also had a number of home invasions in this area where they use a nice looking woman to go to the door and get it opened then the thug hiding around the corner rushes the door.
I have found, answering the door with a holster on your hip changes the dynamic for these folk quickly. I do not advocate menacing or threatening them. IMO, the holster on the hip where they see it sends a simple message, "I am not looking for trouble, but I am prepared to defend myself if you make it necessary."
With all the crimes, and all the fraud associated with door to door sales, I will never do business with them. Even charities, I tell them mail me some info with a URL that I can research them on, or forget about it.
We have also had a number of home invasions in this area where they use a nice looking woman to go to the door and get it opened then the thug hiding around the corner rushes the door.
I have found, answering the door with a holster on your hip changes the dynamic for these folk quickly. I do not advocate menacing or threatening them. IMO, the holster on the hip where they see it sends a simple message, "I am not looking for trouble, but I am prepared to defend myself if you make it necessary."
With all the crimes, and all the fraud associated with door to door sales, I will never do business with them. Even charities, I tell them mail me some info with a URL that I can research them on, or forget about it.
Gouranga
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Truthfully, while this is not the type of place I would live, if this is they way they want to live, and it is known before someone buys a home in that community, then I would not see a problem with it. This is a free country and I would see this like I see HOAs. They are not for me, but I can see why folks want them and I would respect their decision to do this.
That being said, I would have a serious problem IF they have public property (i.e. playgrounds, parks, etc paid for by tax dollars), where they do not respect the 2nd amendment of the Constitution. IF their parks, playground, etc are privately funded and owned, then it is their land, their rules.
DERGLOCKINMEISTER
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Most communities have passed ordinances against door to door sales . The occasional girl scout isn't going to offend anyone , however a disheveled , nervous fellow wanting to measure my living room to give me a great deal on carpet shampooing does offend me and if my not liking these jerks disturbing me at home bothers anyone , then that is just too damn bad. I did not create the permissive , criminal coddling , early jail release atmosphere that we have today , but I can damn well ensure that my home is my property and I will determine who is welcome on my property no matter where I live , city or country . I dont give 2 cents worth of a hoot if I offend someone approaching my door uninvited , If I feel threatened , then they gotta go ! What used to be an accepted method of salesmanship ie. going door to door with your wares is now regarded as suspect behavior in most cases , not an innocent case of a hard working stiff trying to make an honest living.
My door, like my phone, is there for MY convenience. I don't answer the phone when it's a sales call and I ignore anyone that I don't know who is knocking at my door. When I used to respond to salesmen, fundraisers, and their ilk it was always a waste of my time so I know I'm not missing anything by ignoring them now.
Deltaboy1984
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Girl scouts at your door??? My wife got hit up by Snail Mail from her best friends daughter in CALLIE!
I never carry cash or my checkbook when it is Girl Scout Cookie season.
I never carry cash or my checkbook when it is Girl Scout Cookie season.
Jaybird78
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About five years ago I moved from a lower income area to a middle income area. I could not believe the amount of solicitors that first summer. It seemed like every weekend I was going to the door.
I told my wife we are putting up a NO SOLICITATION -(Neighbors Welcome) sign at both front and rear door. It has stopped many folks. However, I have been known to answer the door with my shoe planted behind the door and a pistol in hand out of sight.
We still buy from the kids that show up. I'm cold, not heartless.
I told my wife we are putting up a NO SOLICITATION -(Neighbors Welcome) sign at both front and rear door. It has stopped many folks. However, I have been known to answer the door with my shoe planted behind the door and a pistol in hand out of sight.
We still buy from the kids that show up. I'm cold, not heartless.
Gouranga
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In all fairness though, if you put up a no solicitations sign, and the guy ignores it an comes do your door, he should not be surprised at a less than warm reception. Them even coming to your door is ridiculous. It is obvious they are NOT making a sale so why even waste the time?
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