Down side to going NFA (Supressor/SBR)?

[ID-shooting]

SO, walk into LGS and they have a realy great deal on a 14x1L threaded AK supressor. I have 3 of the braced pistols currently up in the air with the new ATF nonsense. One of these being a full-size Draco.

I currently own no NFA items, yet.

I am fence sitting on filling out a form 4 and getting the supressor as well as doing the amensty on the Draco then making it a legit PM90 clone.

Aside from being labled a "conformer, sheep, sucker" by the ever noisy AK crowd, what would be downside?

I mean, if I go NFA for the supressor, why not dive all the way in.

 

[jmorris]

Down side is it adds up, $200/ea but it does keep you from being a criminal…

 

[Demi-human]

Do you know what conformers do?
They get to enjoy all the things that they already like about their weapons. And they do it carefree, with impunity.

Know what conformers don’t do?
They don’t go to jail. And lose ALL their firearms for being paranoid about lists.
The funny thing about these lists, the more humans on them, the stronger they are.

One police officer can confiscate all the unlawful suppressors he wishes.
None can dream of collecting 10 million legal ones, even with a list.
“The more the merrier”, I always say.

I think the pistol shenanigans are just that. But if they offer me a free SBR, I can trade that for crappy braces. I won’t like it, but I want my weapons MY way. This accomplishes that.
Notifying the .gov about transport is .easy, and you can flex on the 16” barrels at the range.

With the alleged amnesty, an SBR requires no extra purchase like buying a suppressor, and now I can put a VFG on.

Suppressors follow no such transport rules, are exceedingly enjoyable, and I highly recommend them.

I say, “Dive on in, the water’s fine!”

 

[jmorris]

If you are worried about being on a list somewhere, you shouldn’t be joining any firearm forums, certainly wouldn’t want to be active in any. Everyone here probably has a much larger digital foot print than any paper trail could provide.

For example it’s now public knowledge that he OP owns 3 braced pistols and does not agree with the ATF about them. They also have the ability to find out exactly where he was when he posted that, track all of his other digital information, probably even the vehicle he drives, etc. To be honest they probably already knew about the braces at the time of purchase, one reason they prefer credit cards, much more information is passed than in a cash money transaction.

No reason to be sneaky when they already know and that’s if you don’t worry about the consequences of breaking the law. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and going to prison…

 

[MachIVshooter]

Downside to the suppressor? None if it's a good one! Well, more ick in the receiver, but it's a small price to pay.

Downside to the SBR? You have to file form 5320.20 for each state you travel to with it ahead of time. That's about it.

And of course you can't loan these things out unless it's on a trust and the borrower is a trustee.

I would suggest telling us what make & model suppressor you're considering. There are some really great options these days. There's also a lot of garbage on the market. Most of them can be upgraded by a few of us SOTs with the knowledge, skills and equipment to rebuild them, but much more cost effective and less aggravating to start with something good!

Also, do know going in that there's really no good way to make a Kalashnikov hearing safe. You can knock it down a lot, but the piston pop is over 140 decibels to your ears no matter what can unless the loads are too light to cycle the gun. ARs with Stoner gas are about the only semi auto rifles that will get under 140 dB at shooter's ear, and in most cases that requires gas system adjustment.

 

[N555]

AK47 can benefit greatly from a silencer.
I don't have a long stroke gas operated gun on a silencer yet, closest I have is a short stroke and my short stroke even has a little vent that allows the extra gas to blast out of the expansion chamber after the full stoke has been achieved. It quiets down real nice.

 

[Soonerpesek]

Today I submitted my first form 1 (eform), and my first (eform) form 4 (7th overall)..............

...............................So................................I don't SEE any downside to any of it (other than the stamp cost, but what will be-- will be).........................Continue on with the fun stuff.........

 

[mavracer]

If I wasn't on the list before I got NFA stuff I would be really disappointed.

 

[ID-shooting]

If you are worried about being on a list somewhere, you shouldn’t be joining any firearm forums, certainly wouldn’t want to be active in any. Everyone here probably has a much larger digital foot print than any paper trail could provide.

For example it’s now public knowledge that he OP owns 3 braced pistols and does not agree with the ATF about them. They also have the ability to find out exactly where he was when he posted that, track all of his other digital information, probably even the vehicle he drives, etc. To be honest they probably already knew about the braces at the time of purchase, one reason they prefer credit cards, much more information is passed than in a cash money transaction.

No reason to be sneaky when they already know and that’s if you don’t worry about the consequences of breaking the law. Like hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and going to prison…

Meh, I am 17 year Federal employee (Army before that) for a different three-letter department. Add to that my CWP, CMP patronage, different gun clubs I am or have been a member of, firearms registered to take onto Ft. Campbell, and who knows how many 4473's I have filled out over my 52 years, the "feds" already know who I am and what I am about.

I did decide to fille the form 1's for the three pistols. I have everything together except my fingerprint cards. Sure with they could just use the couple dozen sets (both digital and ink) they already have not too mention my DNA they have on file. Getting to the Sheriff's office during business hours has proven to be a challenge as I work in a different town. Going to take time off from work this week to wrap that up though.

 

[Gordon]

Meh, I am 17 year Federal employee (Army before that) for a different three-letter department. Add to that my CWP, CMP patronage, different gun clubs I am or have been a member of, firearms registered to take onto Ft. Campbell, and who knows how many 4473's I have filled out over my 52 years, the "feds" already know who I am and what I am about.

I did decide to fille the form 1's for the three pistols. I have everything together except my fingerprint cards. Sure with they could just use the couple dozen sets (both digital and ink) they already have not too mention my DNA they have on file. Getting to the Sheriff's office during business hours has proven to be a challenge as I work in a different town. Going to take time off from work this week to wrap that up though.

Me Too, plus 5 suppressors allready registered

 

[Elkins45]

I’ve had a couple of people come up to me at the range to ask about the ATF showing up at my house to inspect my silencers. There’s a lot of misinformation about the NFA out there and I think the internet has only made it worse.

 

[dogtown tom]

I’ve had a couple of people come up to me at the range to ask about the ATF showing up at my house to inspect my silencers. There’s a lot of misinformation about the NFA out there and I think the internet has only made it worse.

A guy that lived across the street from me once asked "Are Glocks still illegal?"
I think he watched Die Hard 2 a few too many times.

 

[taliv]

I think there are several potential downsides to SBR (as compared to pistol), but i still own a few

1. as mentioned above, you need permission in writing before crossing state lines, which is a pain and takes weeks

2. harder to sell, transfer, loan, etc

3. your spouse or someone might accidentally break the law if for example, you forget and leave it in a vehicle

4. many state laws (e.g. my TN) have handgun carry permits, which make it lawful to "carry" an AR pistol, but not an AR SBR in the exact same configuration (although in my personal opinion, the state may still consider it a pistol while the feds consider it a rifle

5. you have to carry documentation with the gun

 

[dogtown tom]

I think there are several potential downsides to SBR (as compared to pistol), but i still own a few

1. as mentioned above, you need permission in writing before crossing state lines, which is a pain and takes weeks

Only if in SBR configuration.
You can complete one permission slip for each state you intend to travel to, once a year.

2. harder to sell, transfer, loan, etc

Well, if transferring as an SBR, true.
But disassemble and sell receiver as a Title I receiver. No tax stamp.

3. your spouse or someone might accidentally break the law if for example, you forget and leave it in a vehicle

Unlikely, but possible in the same way anything is possible. This is a benefit of using a trust with family members on that trust.
Put a lock on it. Don't give key to wife.

4. many state laws (e.g. my TN) have handgun carry permits, which make it lawful to "carry" an AR pistol, but not an AR SBR in the exact same configuration (although in my personal opinion, the state may still consider it a pistol while the feds consider it a rifle

Possibly.

5. you have to carry documentation with the gun

No such requirement in federal law or ATF regs.

 

[N555]

I never carried no documents.
I transported them in title 1 configuration and kept the short barrel hidden to avoid local cops that don't understand the law.
I know that's not always an option if say your barrel is pinned or screwed in, not easy to swap.

 

[Captains1911]

If your aren’t on at least a few undesiredable lists, then you ain’t livin’.

 

[Sgt_Mike1]

down sides to NFA ownership??? I have only noticed one downside, they are like potato chips ya just can't have just one...

 

[Palladan44]

No down side.

 

[Palladan44]

3. your spouse or someone might accidentally break the law if for example, you forget and leave it in

Just like all the other laws that are out there (and the book of em is several feet in thickness, with super thin paper and super fine print).......just don't ACCIDENTALLY break em.