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I bought a brand new LMT for $1000 OTD. It was one of two LMT's I have seen for sale in person. The other was right next to the one I bought for the same price. The price was actually $1100, but we settled for $1000 tax and transfer included.
 
Here is a link to their website that explains their build.
http://dpmsinc.com/forum/posts.aspx?postID=63
Okay I was wrong on chrome lining, but that DPMS fault for not making it clear. If click on any DPMS rifle and click "Build This Rifle Now" it takes you to a page which list the standard barrel as chrome-moly steel, and the options listed are:
Options:
# CRYO Barrel Deep Freeze
# Harris Bipod
# Chrome or Titanium Bolt Carrier assembly
# JP adjustable trigger
# Free float 4-rail handguards
You have to click "Build This Item Now" from the "Build This Rifle Now" page to see that there is a chrome lining option. I'll look at their dealer catalog again when I'm back at work, and I'm sure the chrome lining option will be buried in some obscure area somewhere in the literature.
I could not verify that after about an hour of looking. S&W did not mention that, neither did about 10 magazine articles I looked through that reviewed it. If it is true then cool, but it seems more reasonable that it is S&W marking their own bolt, MP-M&P.
"MP" is the standard marking used on MPI parts. It's how Colt and LMT mark their MPI bolts & barrels as well. Early Stag assembled M&P-15s didn't have MPI bolts, and there were no markings on those bolts.
 
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DPMS bolts are MP tested in lots or batches.
Everyone batch MPIs bolts. Individual MPI cost more. If the end user doesn't care about it that's fine, but it's still a more expensive quality control procedure.
DPMS does offer chrome-lined barrels for certain models. Chrome-lining is not something to brag about.
Again, it's end user preference, but making it a standard feature increases the cost of the rifle.
If your rifle isn't reliable enough that it won't operate without one, then...whatever.
I intend to go to a carbine course when I have the time and money to do so after I finish school. I'm an Air Force Veteran, so I'm not a traditional college student. When you take a course from a top level instructor like Pat Rogers you'll run over 500 rounds through your gun in one weekend. When you intend to run an AR hard like that you pay for features that give you added insurance in the reliability department.
If you're complaint about an AR is that it doesn't have a CL barrel just because yours does....whatever.
AGAIN, I'm not complaining that DPMS doesn't offer chrome lining as standard. I'm explaining that when you offer chrome lining as standard it makes the rifle cost more.
You're either uninformed about DPMS, or someone who intentionally doesn't like being bothered with facts.
I'm quite well informed, and I've stated facts to the best of my knowledge. I've been wrong on a few things, and admitted it when I have been.
Chromed and TiN coated bolt carriers are an option...MP is standard.
Again, batch MP is standard, but individual MP is not with DPMS.
If by "harder use" do you mean that you don't like to clean your rifle...ever? What harder use are you going to put one through that the other can't (as you feel) do? What remotely possible scenario do you see that one will make it with flying colors and the other fail miserably? Everything mechanical will fail at some point, and it usually has to do with, in the case of moving metal parts, lube or lack of and not the metal itself.
As I said above my intent is to attend a good carbine course. Possum has been through one, and I'm sure he can tell you about rifles failing. I've payed particular attention to Pat Rogers comments here and on ar15.com when he talks about what works and what doesn't. He's a member here, so why don't you send him a PM and ask what he thinks about "just as good as".
As far as facts go, with regard to DPMS, you have been completely wrong and do not have your "facts" straight.
The only DPMS fact I've been wrong on is that they do offer chrome lined barrels an option. They still do a pi$$ poor job of informing dealers and consumers about it.
You also seem to put a premium on some things that have not relative importance, such as a CL barrel.
You're right, they aren't important to most consumers. They are important to some. They also explain why some AR-15 brands cost more than others, and that it's not just a name as some here are claiming.
Ok, so you have a CLB, I have a SS that is significantly more accurate. Maybe if you didn't have to shoot 3-4 times as many rounds to get the same shot placement....oh, nevermind.
For the record I have an Olympic with a SS bbl that's very accurate. I also paid half the price of my LMT for the Olympic. When time allows and I can get to a good carbine course I'll be taking the LMT with me though. Just because I have a hard chromed barrel one AR that's intended for closer range faster shooting doesn't mean I can't shoot accurately with others. You can leave the personal attacks and implications that I can't shoot out of the thread.

Once again DPMS MAKES A GREAT RIFLE. All I've tried to do is explain what features are standard on other rifles which make them more expensive than DPMS. If you don't believe me, here's Bartholomew Roberts take on it: 34 Ways to Cut Corners on Manufacturing an AR15.

Y'all have a good one. I'm off to study anatomy & physiology.
 
Actually, my 3 Day Carbine Operator Course lists ammo reqs as 1300 rds of 5.56- not 500.

Actual ammunition expenditure is situationally dependent on the number of students, quality of students and environmental considerations.
 
a friend of mine had a pwa commando ; cast reciever(you could see the line where it joined together),it was the cheapest ar made,but it was accurate & reliable.never jammed once.i think you cant go wrong with dpms or any of the top makers. dpms seems to be the only one offering those spare parts kits,too.
 
Two guys who are/were 45 Bravos that I know one personally are telling us something contrary to the "chart." As an former spook, I would say that those two guys in this thread will forget more about M16/M4/AR15s than most of us if not all of us will ever know about M16/M4/AR15 family of rifles.

It might behoove others to LISTEN to what those in that profession are saying.
 
45 Bravos
what is a 45 bravo? is this supposed to be an mos in some branch of the military? ie the army? i have never heard of that designation, i have been in the army and an infantryman for a few years, never heard of 45 bravo, hey though they might be to highspeed for regular ole grunts like me to know about though. please explain.
 
oh that is why i have never heard of a 45b, they are support, ie non combat arms, and i try to stay away from those types.
those two guys in this thread will forget more about M16/M4/AR15s than most of us if not all of us will ever know about M16/M4/AR15 family of rifles.
i doubt that, just because that is thier mos dosen't mean much. ie you would think that most infantrymen could shoot really good, but they can't, they shoot because they have too on the range at work and that is all the shooting that they do a year 40-80rds, they do it because they have too. you don't have to be good at your job to stay in the army. as a matter of fact you generally are not doing your "job" anyway.

quite honestly i don't know why the army has 45b's anyway, save for the guys that work for the AMU maybe. if the unit armorer can't fix it it goes to SASS C and the civilians take it form there, if they can't handle it then it goes to depot, if that dosen't do it then they send it to the maker, no where in there is there any 45b's to fix or "repair" anything.
 
I'd get a DPMS over an Oly.After that, it's really more about what you want, and what you are willing to spend ...They'll all launch a round down range(most of the time). Sounds like a fair deal...Timing must be everything, 'cause I got a S&W optics-ready for $750.00...far superior to Dpms's I've handled...:)
 
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well , "againstTHEGRAIN" is almost always taken, so i simplified my life.

so are you a turbo'd bubba? or a bubba'd turbo? :barf:
 
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