ShooterMcGavin
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I mentioned one stance that was taken by a co-worker on the topic of guns (rape) in another thread. It received a lot of attention, so I thought I would put that comment into a list, along with some other priceless statements he has made. Of all the anti-gun, anti-rights talk I have heard and read, this has been some of the most extreme I have experienced.
Outside of work, we have talked about guns. He thinks it is a valid reason to own guns for fun, shooting at the range. However, he says that people should only be allowed to own guns if they have a demonstrated need. General self-defense does not count. When I asked him about a "demonstrated need", he said that the following reasons do not count: living very far from police assistance or other help, being a woman who has to walk through a bad part of town at 'bad' hours, having a house that is easily broken into, having already had your house broke into, being raped (once*), or living in a bad part of town.
I have been shocked at some of the answers he had provided for the questions I have asked...
If you have children reading along, please cover their eyes for some of these!
-If you are attacked, telling someone that you will call the police is a good defense that works.
-*Nobody should have a gun unless they can prove a need to have one. If a woman is raped in her home once, that is not enough to warrant having a gun. However, after she is raped, if the rapist threatens to rape her again or to kill her, then she has the need for a gun.
-If your neighbor's house is broken into and robbed 10 or 20 times, that might warrant the need for you to get a gun.
-For home defense, you can put out bear traps (the ones with claws, that grab and hold the bear's leg) on the floor, inside the home under the windows. Of course, this would need to be done every night. I never got into the discussion about the safety issue with children, but I'd guess he thinks bear traps on the floor are safer than guns in the hands of the adults.
The following statements by him were upsetting. Not only do I have many important women in my life, but I hold women in the category of those whom I would risk my safety to protect.
-If a woman is being raped and has the time to retrieve a gun, she has enough time to get a phone and call the police.
-If a woman can use a gun to stop a rapist, why wouldn't she use the same gun to shoot a guy she is with just because she wants to.
-Rape is not violent
I asked him REPEATEDLY to confirm that he really meant that!
-Rape is subjective. Sometimes 'no' means 'yes'. -when I then asked "does it mean 'no' when she points a gun at the attacker and says 'I said NO MOTHERF***ER!'?" -he said "no, it's still subjective".
These are not direct quotes, however I have not changed the meaning of the statements he has said to me. For ALL of these statements, we had lengthy discussions (basically because I was in such shock that he would make these claims). After questioning him quite a bit on each point, I am certain that I have not mistaken the meaning of his words or his points. Just reading through this list of comments, I'm basically speechless.
Outside of work, we have talked about guns. He thinks it is a valid reason to own guns for fun, shooting at the range. However, he says that people should only be allowed to own guns if they have a demonstrated need. General self-defense does not count. When I asked him about a "demonstrated need", he said that the following reasons do not count: living very far from police assistance or other help, being a woman who has to walk through a bad part of town at 'bad' hours, having a house that is easily broken into, having already had your house broke into, being raped (once*), or living in a bad part of town.
I have been shocked at some of the answers he had provided for the questions I have asked...
If you have children reading along, please cover their eyes for some of these!
-If you are attacked, telling someone that you will call the police is a good defense that works.
-*Nobody should have a gun unless they can prove a need to have one. If a woman is raped in her home once, that is not enough to warrant having a gun. However, after she is raped, if the rapist threatens to rape her again or to kill her, then she has the need for a gun.
-If your neighbor's house is broken into and robbed 10 or 20 times, that might warrant the need for you to get a gun.
-For home defense, you can put out bear traps (the ones with claws, that grab and hold the bear's leg) on the floor, inside the home under the windows. Of course, this would need to be done every night. I never got into the discussion about the safety issue with children, but I'd guess he thinks bear traps on the floor are safer than guns in the hands of the adults.
The following statements by him were upsetting. Not only do I have many important women in my life, but I hold women in the category of those whom I would risk my safety to protect.
-If a woman is being raped and has the time to retrieve a gun, she has enough time to get a phone and call the police.
-If a woman can use a gun to stop a rapist, why wouldn't she use the same gun to shoot a guy she is with just because she wants to.
-Rape is not violent
I asked him REPEATEDLY to confirm that he really meant that!-Rape is subjective. Sometimes 'no' means 'yes'. -when I then asked "does it mean 'no' when she points a gun at the attacker and says 'I said NO MOTHERF***ER!'?" -he said "no, it's still subjective".
These are not direct quotes, however I have not changed the meaning of the statements he has said to me. For ALL of these statements, we had lengthy discussions (basically because I was in such shock that he would make these claims). After questioning him quite a bit on each point, I am certain that I have not mistaken the meaning of his words or his points. Just reading through this list of comments, I'm basically speechless.
