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shoot one at a time if you want to hit anything.
shoot one at a time if you want to hit anything.
dual wielding handguns-any purpose?
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If one were to have a brain operation and remove the part that allows cross-communication between the left and right hemispheres, one might be able to use one eye on each set of sights, effectively employing two handguns.
I believe this to be an understood premise for every Angelina Jolie movie ever.
So until you get your brain hacked up, just shoot the one, and feed it with the other hand.
I believe this to be an understood premise for every Angelina Jolie movie ever.
So until you get your brain hacked up, just shoot the one, and feed it with the other hand.
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I agree with the sentiment that dual wielding is only for fun and to look cool in a movie, but I saw a program on History about fancy pistoleros and there's a couple guys out there who can very effectively and accurately dual wield, firing both handguns at once. It would be worth it to me to practice enough and be able to effectively do it, if my income was like tripled or I had magical bottomless mags, because I know it would take crates of ammo for me to be able to do that and keep all my shots on a barn even.
peacemaker45
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It's beyond pointless with autoloaders, as it's slower to switch sights than to switch targets. Also, you lose your ability to reload, and much of your ability to control recoil.
With double action revolvers, it has a little more value, but not much. It allows for a twelve round string of fire, instead of six.
Where it came from, and where it still has some value is in single action revolvers. When shooting one of them one handed, it takes time to cock between shots. You can make use of that time by shooting the gun in your other hand, and then cocking it whilst shooting the first one again. It's considerably faster between shots that way, than shooting one gun in one hand. Still marginally slower than one gun in two hands and slip hammering, though. But, it does give ten rounds instead of five, followed by a very slow reload.
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With double action revolvers, it has a little more value, but not much. It allows for a twelve round string of fire, instead of six.
Where it came from, and where it still has some value is in single action revolvers. When shooting one of them one handed, it takes time to cock between shots. You can make use of that time by shooting the gun in your other hand, and then cocking it whilst shooting the first one again. It's considerably faster between shots that way, than shooting one gun in one hand. Still marginally slower than one gun in two hands and slip hammering, though. But, it does give ten rounds instead of five, followed by a very slow reload.
~~~Mat
MyTFAL
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Whats wrong with you people? What a buncha pansies. Didn't ya hear me say "FILL YOUR HANDS YOU SON OF A BITCHES!!!"
Justin
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You can learn to dual wield; Ed McGivern had a chapter about it in his book Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting. Here's the condensed version of how to learn to dual wield: Learn to shoot extremely well with your dominate hand. This involves shooting tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition. Then learn to shoot equally well with your weak hand. This involves several more tens of thousands of rounds. Then start shooting with both hands and learn to handle the weapons that way. This will involve even more ammunition.
As for my actual experiences with it, the times I've tried it with a center fire pistol ended with results that were less than spectacular. At this year's Rocky Mountain 3 Gun match, one stage required the competitor to dual wield a pair of .22 revolvers and hit two IPSC steel targets six times each at about seven or so yards. This turned out to be pretty easy, with some competitors turning their head to index the sights on each target, and others just staring straight ahead and aligning the guns with their periferal vision.
As for my actual experiences with it, the times I've tried it with a center fire pistol ended with results that were less than spectacular. At this year's Rocky Mountain 3 Gun match, one stage required the competitor to dual wield a pair of .22 revolvers and hit two IPSC steel targets six times each at about seven or so yards. This turned out to be pretty easy, with some competitors turning their head to index the sights on each target, and others just staring straight ahead and aligning the guns with their periferal vision.
As a counter to Justin's well-considered reply; don't forget to criss-cross your arms while dual wielding. This action frightens your enemies and excites the ladies.
By enemies I mean NPC's in a video game, and by ladies I mean your male buddies.
By enemies I mean NPC's in a video game, and by ladies I mean your male buddies.
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Count me in!
Justin
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LOL!
MikePGS
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Right, I was going to say that I thought Ed McGivern would dual wield, but on the other hand HE WAS ED McGIVERN!!!!
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Not to lend the practice any legitimacy, but I know of at least one instance where someone wielding dual Beretta 92 Inoxs successfully repelled several armed attackers attempting to kill him outsie his home.
Granted, it was in the 80s, and the guy was a drug dealer, and the guys trying to kill him were rival dealers. I don't think he landed any hits, but he put enough lead in the air to turn them around.
I saw an interview with him, and the responding police on a show about the cocaine epedemic. He wsn't even an action-hero type... just a fat, middle-aged white guy.
Granted, it was in the 80s, and the guy was a drug dealer, and the guys trying to kill him were rival dealers. I don't think he landed any hits, but he put enough lead in the air to turn them around.
I saw an interview with him, and the responding police on a show about the cocaine epedemic. He wsn't even an action-hero type... just a fat, middle-aged white guy.
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Posts: 447 The SAS Cowboy Action Shooting guys do it all the time.
I believe it is called Gunfighter Class; one in each hand.
10 shots fired successively, alternating guns usually.
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Join Date: 12-13-07
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Posts: 447 The SAS Cowboy Action Shooting guys do it all the time.
I believe it is called Gunfighter Class; one in each hand.
10 shots fired successively, alternating guns usually.
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WardenWolf
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A very few people can get away with dual wielding and pull it off effectively. Most can't. You have to be either ambidextrous or almost ambidextrous to pull it off, you must have identical pistols (or with identical grip angles), and with no eye dominance issues or too-strong eye dominance that will prevent you from switching your primary eye on the fly.
For these reasons, most people who CAN pull it off are left-handed, as they tend towards ambidexterity and adaptability more out of necessity. I am left-handed and can do it, but I have also trained myself for it. The most important thing is being able to coordinate the grip angle for your hands to ensure both guns are level even when not sighting one of them. You must practice mirroring both hands to each other so you can coordinate them together. Once you have done this, it comes much more naturally. If you are planning on doing this, you should practice with a mirror.
For these reasons, most people who CAN pull it off are left-handed, as they tend towards ambidexterity and adaptability more out of necessity. I am left-handed and can do it, but I have also trained myself for it. The most important thing is being able to coordinate the grip angle for your hands to ensure both guns are level even when not sighting one of them. You must practice mirroring both hands to each other so you can coordinate them together. Once you have done this, it comes much more naturally. If you are planning on doing this, you should practice with a mirror.
Diamondback6
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Well said, Mike the Wolf--it takes certain physiological quirks. In my case, being a southpaw for a start, coupled with something similar to the previously-mentioned brain-surgery in that I've never had more'n a barely-functional frontal lobe (you'd never know it to see me in action, though, because the other 3 pick up the load) and the fact that my peripheral vision is better than normal, in point of fact I actually see better a bit off to the side than I do straight-ahead. So, since my peak visual acuity is just outside the "slice of pie" of binocular vision...
The corollary to knowing one's limitations is knowing what advantages or possible advantages you also bring to the table, and how to exploit the latter and work around the former. There is no one-size-fits-all answer here, folks...
The corollary to knowing one's limitations is knowing what advantages or possible advantages you also bring to the table, and how to exploit the latter and work around the former. There is no one-size-fits-all answer here, folks...
mgregg85
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The purpose? To look cool in the movie, thats about it.
nwilliams
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Is there a point, no. But It looks really cool
WardenWolf
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No, there is a point. And that's being able to have a gun pointed at 2 people at once.
nwilliams
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I just remembered one of my favorite lines from Tombstone...
Wolfeye
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A while ago I came across a slow-mo youtube video of a guy firing two paintball pistols whilst flying through the air, and it's not nearly as dramatic as it looks in the movies. I can't find it now. The movies never show the part where the shooter flops on his side and tumbles awkwardly over his head.
JFrame
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Yup...In fact, in the Jack Schaefer novel, Shane specifically says that using two guns is show-boating, and that (quoting from memory) "one gun is enough if a man knows how to use it."
Now, as a BUG, I think a second gun makes perfect sense...
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That's Hollywood entertainment for ya, much the same way the technique is good for fun, nothing more.
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Justin, you beat me to it. Ed McGivern taught MANY Feds and police officers to "double gun".
As for the "HE WAS ED McGIVERN!!!!" response, he'd be the first one to tell you that all shooting tricks came easy (such as shooting dimes out of the air & shooting falling cans multiple times before they hit the ground) after he'd put TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS INTO PRACTICING THEM. All of these shooters put in the work. Check out Ed McGivern's Book of Fast and Easy Revolver Shooting. It's an almost 500pg bible on revolver shooting (single & double action), & it's not the only good one out there, but in my opinion it's the most detailed. He has a funny stream-of-consciousness writing style, but once you get used to it, you'll find it invaluable.
Of course, this isn't some Chow Yun Fat double Beretta B.S., it's the real deal.
As for the "HE WAS ED McGIVERN!!!!" response, he'd be the first one to tell you that all shooting tricks came easy (such as shooting dimes out of the air & shooting falling cans multiple times before they hit the ground) after he'd put TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS INTO PRACTICING THEM. All of these shooters put in the work. Check out Ed McGivern's Book of Fast and Easy Revolver Shooting. It's an almost 500pg bible on revolver shooting (single & double action), & it's not the only good one out there, but in my opinion it's the most detailed. He has a funny stream-of-consciousness writing style, but once you get used to it, you'll find it invaluable.
Of course, this isn't some Chow Yun Fat double Beretta B.S., it's the real deal.
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