duty size gun carry for ccw

To me the difficulty is not in the concealment but how it pokes me when I'm sitting or driving that usually determines my carry
And how does one carry such that access while driving is even achievable?

I realize that one could unholster their CCW and place it on the seat beside them, but that CCW could easily go flying in the event of a fender-bender. Glove box? Basically out of reach. Under your thigh? You could lose it. AWIB? Seat belt issue. Center Console?

I spent a good deal of time driving from point A to point B and think about this. I’ve yet to find the perfect solution. I have to empty my pockets before I drive…might need my wallet, or phone, etc. Driving with a CCW can be a PITA.
 
With AIWB the gun is readily accessible, at least mine is. Even when I carried at 4:00 or so, it wasn't bad, but different seats can make a big difference too and the seatbelt is more of a problem.

Either way, making releasing the seat belt as part of the draw an ingrained thing is something you want to work on too. Thats more of an issue with anything midway or behind your hip, but a good idea any way you're carrying.
 
Do you belive that a duty size carry gun can make a good ccw if you can conceal well and manage the weight?
I sure love my Springfield SA-35 and have carried it a few times with my IWB holster for it. I am 6'4 and 285
It doesn't weigh me down carrying it for a day. My main ccw is my Hellcat Pro but I sure like the feel of that
all steel old school gun.

If it works for you its not my place to tell you not to!

For me, not a chance! I carried my Beretta 92 INOX camping in a Safari (cop) retention holster once. I quickly came to the conclusion that the donut shop cops must be in much better shape than I am. All that weight was just clumsy and always in the way even with a respected holster. Most of my friends that will only carry a 1911 or other big chunk of iron never actually have a gun on them. Me, I carry small plastic pistols and always have one on me. It is not like I ever actually handle the weapon I am carrying, it is tucked away never to be seen like it should be.

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I gave the CZ-75D compact to my girl friend far a night stand gun. She liked it, I didn't and it was too heavy and cumbersome to carry.
 
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I think a big part of this is your mentality on things too, and that goes in a couple of directions. Most of the people I know that carry do so on an irregular basis. Carrying "when you feel or perceive the need" seems to be the general thought or maybe special occasions, etc.

I don't think most look at it as part of their lifestyle, which to me, if you're going to carry a gun, that's how you should be looking at it. Unless you're lucky enough to have one of those gun specific Magic 8 Balls to tell you what you're going to need and when youll need it, there is only one way to cover things, and that's to always have a gun on you, and preferably, one that will cover the gamut of things a handgun might have to.

Once you figure out what you shoot best with, what gear works best with it, and where on your body to carry it, then it just fades into the obscurity of everything else you carry around on you every day and you dont even know its there 99% of the time.

The other thing mentality wise has to do with concealing the gun. Your general attitude and bearing, makes a big difference in things. Gun or not, if you go about your day as if you belong there, wherever that is and act like it, grab and hold eye contact, acknowledge or engage people who "might" pay attention to you, etc, ignore the fact you have a gun on you, no matter what you're wearing, and act like anyone else who isn't carrying one, you'll have a different experience than someone who is obviously self-conscious, acting "quirky" and "off", and constantly checking themselves, be that with their hands or eyes, ect. Act like you're "up to something", or just a little "off", and even those who are self-absorbed and/or with their heads buried in their phones, will pick up on that pretty quick, if they bother to look at you.
 
Do you believe that a duty size carry gun can make a good ccw if you can conceal well and manage the weight?
I sure love my Springfield SA-35 and have carried it a few times with my IWB holster for it. I am 6'4 and 285
It doesn't weigh me down carrying it for a day. My main ccw is my Hellcat Pro but I sure like the feel of that
all steel old school gun
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So do I.

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The three keys there are: (1) having the right holster and belt combo (you might need to get a bit spendy for the right combo); (2) where you want the gun positioned when concealed (3-4 o’clock vs. AIWB); and (3) how do you intend to dress for it?

Perhaps most importantly when strapping on a full-size blasters, understand that #3 will be, in turn, both weather and event-dependent: summer vs winter carry, and what you‘ll be doing/where you’ll be going …. off to work vs. running errands vs. hanging out at the local Starbucks all morning reading the paper and eye-balling the hawt baristas.
 
I prefer a smaller gun but it has far more to do with comfort than anything. One can very effectively conceal a full-sized gun. One may even be able to do so comfortably, but thus far it’s required an investment in holsters and experimentation that I haven’t been sufficiently motivated to commit to.
 
I spent a good deal of time driving from point A to point B and think about this. I’ve yet to find the perfect solution. I have to empty my pockets before I drive…might need my wallet, or phone, etc. Driving with a CCW can be a PITA.
Well said, Anchor... My solution is still the 3:00 to 4:00 o'clock position, OWB. It clears the seat belt attachment point for me, and doesn't dig into my short ribs.

Speed of presentation, or restricted access you ask? While driving, I'm not anticipating nor will I engage in gunfights. I'll have to dismount to do that and driving off into the sunset is no doubt a better choice.

Best regards. Rod
 
Rule #1: Always carry a gun. If that means a pistol stuck in your pants pocket, then so be it. If you are able to pack a full-size weapon, and adhere to both the laws and your personal goals... that's fantastic.
What Paul Harrell calls Program Compliance.
Fully agree.
 
I frequently see people who are by definition concealing poorly.

Oh but we are gun guys/gals we actively look for that kind of thing. 90% of the public doesn’t even pull their nose outta their phone during dinner or walking around.
It used to be illegal to accidentally display in my state so I suppose I was always cognizant of it. Those laws have since been dropped so it really its not an issue now-a-days.
 
Everyone is shaped differently, but most of us can reach the cargo pocket of cargo shorts easily enough when driving. It's an excellent carry method if everything fits properly.
 
"Not if I can find a light one Sir".

Back in the day we had little choice but to carry duty sized. Star, PPK and a few others were the "small" guns. Fast forward to today and we have countless choices.

I can get them smaller, lighter with higher capacity so I too live by your quote.
 
If choose the right gear and find the right spot, you can carry full sized handguns very easily and with very little risk of being outed, if someone was actually looking.

I spent a good bit of my life doing it in NPE's carrying full sized guns and never had a problem.

And you don't have to do anything out of the norm as far as what you wear either. These days, a pair of jeans and a tee shirt are my normal summer attire (winter is just a long sleeve tee with a light fleece). I wear the clothes I would be wearing if I wasn't wearing a gun too, I don't "size up".

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Man, if I felt compelled to carry all that?

I'd move.
 
Looks to me like the SA-35 is basically just a Hi-Power variant. I used to have a Bulgarian Hi-Power clone (Arcus 94). I'm 185 and a hair under 6ft and 53y.o.. That gun was not a not really big deal to carry in the winter with an overcoat or thick fleece. It definitely wasn't for summer carry if you wanted to conceal. The Arcus 94 seemed to be a little tankier than the SA-35, but I really don't see how a big dude with big loose t-shirt would have a problem with it with the right holster. Overall, I didn't. However, my Ruger p89 is a different story. That is truly approaching "Big Bertha" status for a steel 9mm. I really just have not found the gumption to want to carry that gun as an EDC. I have several other choices which are just much better, the latest of which is my new S&W Equalizer, but which I unfortunately don't have a good holster for yet.

But your SA-35? Hell, like I said...I'm 185 and just about 6ft and I'd carry it...in winter anyway. It may be a steel gun but I just don't consider the Hi-Power frame and size to be a big deal. When you get into guns like the Ruger P-series or S&W 59XX series there's a threshold that gets crossed. I'll never forget when I sold my Smith & Wesson 59. The gun shop owner who bought it was about 6'3" and maybe 250 or so. Even he thought it was unwieldy and ridiculously big. I had to turn the gun in my hand just to reach the mag release! Simply not acceptable as a carry a gun for me. But Hi-Power variants are usually beautifully slender and manageable IMO.
 
You are a rather large person and state you can carry it comfortably so why not? It will be easier to shoot than one of the tiny offerings of today if ever needed as a plus. Comfortable is the key. At your height and weight I would consider you to be on the husky side but concealment should still be easy on such a large frame depending on how you like to dress. My SIL is only 5' 7", not fat, and I can never tell if he is carrying his Shield or not.
 
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And how does one carry such that access while driving is even achievable?

I realize that one could unholster their CCW and place it on the seat beside them, but that CCW could easily go flying in the event of a fender-bender. Glove box? Basically out of reach. Under your thigh? You could lose it. AWIB? Seat belt issue. Center Console?

I spent a good deal of time driving from point A to point B and think about this. I’ve yet to find the perfect solution. I have to empty my pockets before I drive…might need my wallet, or phone, etc. Driving with a CCW can be a PITA.
I always uncover my handgun whether OWB or IWB before even getting in the car and also make sure I can access it even with the seat belt in place. It's just another step like locking the door before even inserting the key.

The most comfortable full size higher capacity pistols in my car is my Browning BDM in a Kramer IWB #2 holster and most comfortable of all is one of my 1911s in an old Kramer Thomas Perfectionist IWB holster. The BDM is even slimmer than my HiPowers were and the adjustable straps on the #2 give me a wider selection of belt widths than the fixed Thomas Perfectionist (although I could order the other two sizes for the latter and change out the whole attachment point).

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This thread had me curious as to the possibilities for full size concealed carry while still being able to sit comfy. I make my own holsters so I was intrigued to say the least. The only position that had any comfort was far crossdraw which made putting my hand on it less then ideal. For now I'll stick with my 3rd gen smith at the 3-4 position
 
Well said, Anchor... My solution is still the 3:00 to 4:00 o'clock position, OWB. It clears the seat belt attachment point for me, and doesn't dig into my short ribs.

Speed of presentation, or restricted access you ask? While driving, I'm not anticipating nor will I engage in gunfights. I'll have to dismount to do that and driving off into the sunset is no doubt a better choice.

Best regards. Rod
When driving/riding in a car, the smart money favors a quality cross-draw holster for both comfort and speed of access.
 
S. Crockett: While a cross draw may offer better comfort and speed while seated in a conveyance, I question whether the speed is necessary while driving...too, on exiting the vehicle, a cross draw rig not only offers a close-in opponent an easier grab and shoot option, it's also much harder to conceal with the butt forward, Not to my liking, YMMv Rod
 
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Not a get out of jail card. One has worries, hassles, and difficulties.
then why bother with retired leo credentials and just try to peaceably carry any size sidearm, anyplace “all over the u.s.” like anyone else? i don’t blame anyone for making career choices that offer certain benefits, in fact more power to him.

my cheaper shopping privileges and lifetime no-charge medical insurance by virtue of my military service don’t negate the terrible price inflation and insurance-driven health industry that is inflicted upon all americans.

i am genuinely curious to learn what “worries, hassles and difficulties” of a ccw that even a credentialed, retired leo must endure, which are the same or worse than what uncredentialed civilians face. maybe retired leo privileges need strengthening?

i would like to know more specific tips on how “you can hide any of these full size guns under a slightly larger tshirt and a iwb holster…all over the u.s.” … regardless of social situations and yet be “not a magic trick” - specifically without leo credentials.
 
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S. Crockett: While a cross draw may offer better comfort and speed while seated in a conveyance, I question whether the speed is necessary while driving...too, on exiting the vehicle, a cross draw rig not only offers a close-in opponent an easier grab and shoot option, it's also much harder to conceal with the butt forward, Not to my liking, YMMv Rod
Rod‘s post has made me think (thanks!). In a vehcile scenario the idea is to get out of Dodge. Use the vehicle as a shield and escape the situation if at all possible and de-escalate any encounter. Probably no need to ever deploy your weapon.
 
then why bother with retired leo credentials and just try to peaceably carry any size sidearm, anyplace “all over the u.s.” like anyone else? i don’t blame anyone for making career choices that offer certain benefits, in fact more power to him.

my cheaper shopping privileges and lifetime no-charge medical insurance by virtue of my military service don’t negate the terrible price inflation and insurance-driven health industry that is inflicted upon all americans.

i am genuinely curious to learn what “worries, hassles and difficulties” of a ccw that even a credentialed, retired leo must endure, which are the same or worse than what uncredentialed civilians face. maybe retired leo privileges need strengthening?

i would like to know more specific tips on how “you can hide any of these full size guns under a slightly larger tshirt and a iwb holster…all over the u.s.” … regardless of social situations and yet be “not a magic trick” - specifically without leo credentials.

Using your argument why give retired military ID cards where they get lifetime no charge medical insurance and cheaper shopping privileges. I don't get free medical insurance by virtue of my LEO experience. I retired from a Federal job. I have to pay for my Medicare B, C, and D. Cheaper shopping privileges would include veteran discounts in many commercial establishments not only PX and commissary privileges.

Career choices? I started my LEO career in 1974, 30 years before LEOSA was signed into law. No way I could foresee that happening. Career choices? If you had spent a few years as a Military LEO you'd be covered by LEOSA too.

State and local governments can still forbid carry in government buildings and lands even if you're carrying under LEOSA. The same as everyone with a carry permit. States must issue non'resident carry permits since Bruen.

I spent most of my LE career working in NYC and NJ. Not exactly gun friendly states. Many non-LEOs there will notice printing. Concealing a full size handgun is not a "magic trick". One dresses to conceal the gun.

Why the cop hate?
 
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