duty size gun carry for ccw

I always uncover my handgun whether OWB or IWB before even getting in the car and also make sure I can access it even with the seat belt in place.

That's what I do. It actually solves a few issues, including the grip rubbing my love handles raw from the grippy grip I have on my Kahrs on long trips.

Further, I use a belt slide type holster... it allows me to move the holster back and forth on my belt to suit my position. When I'm out of the truck, I can slide it back a little (to 4 O'Clock) to get it out of the way a little, and keep large-frame autos (1911, HiPower) from printing the butt. I can slide the holster forward (to 2:30-3 O'Clock) if there is the potential for use, no matter how unlikely, and so the butt is more forward when I sit in my truck. Everyone is shaped differently... when I sit in the seat, with the pistol at 4 O'Clock, the butt hits me right in the kidney, and I tend to turn my body slightly to accommodate it... leading to poor posture and backaches. Being able to slide that holster forward alleviates this.

I appreciate some of you who say that anyone can carry a full-size pistol, which is true, and that all you have to do is dress for it... which is sort of true. Much like a pistol in a pocket, a full-size pistol buried under your clothes (to conceal it...) may or may not be the best solution. Neither one of those is going to provide immediate access and presentation. My personal solution to this is to carry a not-so-full-size pistol that I can hide well enough (within the limits of the law and my personal standards...) in a manner that allows me to access it immediately... or at least more immediately than rummaging around in my pocket or cargo pocket, or having to hike up layers of clothes I have to wear to adequately hide my piece.
 
The best of both worlds! The compact size handgun.
I feel we live in the best time for concealed carry handguns. Pistols like the P365, Hellcat, Shield, and my favorite Kimber R7 9mm. These micro compact pistols are really good and accurate enough for the task. And with 10-13 rounds in a flush magazine they have good firepower.
Full size duty pistols can be more accurate and have more capacity. But are harder to carry do to there size and weight.
The compact pistols the best of both worlds. Handguns like the Glock 19 are easy to shoot and with 15 rounds in a flush magazine have ample fire power.
They are also easier to conceal and are lighter than full size choices.
 
Rod‘s post has made me think (thanks!). In a vehcile scenario the idea is to get out of Dodge. Use the vehicle as a shield and escape the situation if at all possible and de-escalate any encounter. Probably no need to ever deploy your weapon.
If you can, that would be the most sensible thing to do. It also may not be possible in every case, and you may have to fight right from the seat you're sitting in. Ever watch some of those carjacking clips and how they set them up? Are you at least somewhat prepared to do that if you cant drive off?

Best to try to be as broadly prepared as you can, to deal with as much as you can, so that you have some previous experience and a base to draw on, should you need to do it. You cant practice for everything, but you can still be broad in your skill base and be close enough to cover "most" things. At least it wont be so strange that your loop puts you into vapor lock and you freeze up.

This all comes back around to the gun just being a part of a package deal, and while it can be an important part of that, its not the only part.

That's what I do. It actually solves a few issues, including the grip rubbing my love handles raw from the grippy grip I have on my Kahrs on long trips.

Further, I use a belt slide type holster... it allows me to move the holster back and forth on my belt to suit my position. When I'm out of the truck, I can slide it back a little (to 4 O'Clock) to get it out of the way a little, and keep large-frame autos (1911, HiPower) from printing the butt. I can slide the holster forward (to 2:30-3 O'Clock) if there is the potential for use, no matter how unlikely, and so the butt is more forward when I sit in my truck. Everyone is shaped differently... when I sit in the seat, with the pistol at 4 O'Clock, the butt hits me right in the kidney, and I tend to turn my body slightly to accommodate it... leading to poor posture and backaches. Being able to slide that holster forward alleviates this.

I appreciate some of you who say that anyone can carry a full-size pistol, which is true, and that all you have to do is dress for it... which is sort of true. Much like a pistol in a pocket, a full-size pistol buried under your clothes (to conceal it...) may or may not be the best solution. Neither one of those is going to provide immediate access and presentation. My personal solution to this is to carry a not-so-full-size pistol that I can hide well enough (within the limits of the law and my personal standards...) in a manner that allows me to access it immediately... or at least more immediately than rummaging around in my pocket or cargo pocket, or having to hike up layers of clothes I have to wear to adequately hide my piece
No matter how I dress, I can still get a solid 1.5-2 second draw, from concealment starting with my hands hanging naturally by my side. Winter is a tad slower, but only by a smidge, and I normally wear an anorak over a fleece in the winter. No matter what, its still faster than any pocket draw starting the same way, and by a good bit.

No matter how or what you carry, you need to figure out the best way to do it, so that it is readily available and easily accessed, and practice that whole presentation to the point of thoughtlessness, no matter the time of year or what you're wearing.

And you don't have to change what you normally wear to be able to carry the larger guns either. As long as you wear clothes that are appropriate for your "current" size, ie., clothes that "fit" you, its not a problem. Sizing up, can be just as bad as trying to fit into what fit you when you were 20# lighter, either way, they just don't look right, nor do they work right.
 
The vast majority of Americans spend their awake time sitting down. This will play a big part in the location and comfort of what you ccw. Humidity will play a bigger role than heat in the summer months.
 
Carrying the trash out, I don't bother. It's out back and thirty seconds.
Otherwise, I'm carrying - mowing the lawn, cutting up tree fall, sitting out on the porch watching the world go by. Crime doesn't sit in the low areas any more; they're just as mobile as we are.
Driving I always leave escape space at stops - I can swerve and get around blocking traffic. And I'm not averse to running over a threat.
Dress is simple comfy stuff, jeans and an untucked shirt. Shirts are 3X tall, loose enough to be comfy but doesn't look like a tent on me and long enough to cover outside waistband carry.
Carry position is anywhere between about 3:00 and 3:30.
I'm six foot and 230 pounds.
Oh Yeah - 1911, two spare mags, Galco Fletch holster. For Special Occasions I'll borrow wife's P238 and the holster that came with it.
Been carrying for close to twenty years. I feel naked without my hardware when out and about - it's part of me.
 
The best of both worlds! The compact size handgun.
I feel we live in the best time for concealed carry handguns. Pistols like the P365, Hellcat, Shield, and my favorite Kimber R7 9mm. These micro compact pistols are really good and accurate enough for the task. And with 10-13 rounds in a flush magazine they have good firepower.
Full size duty pistols can be more accurate and have more capacity. But are harder to carry do to there size and weight.
The compact pistols the best of both worlds. Handguns like the Glock 19 are easy to shoot and with 15 rounds in a flush magazine have ample fire power.
They are also easier to conceal and are lighter than full size choices.
Not a bad summation....and, for many, a Glock 19 sized pistol is a duty gun....Best regards Rod (Hate to admit it but my wife's favorite is a Glock 19 for real with a Storm Lake 9mm bbl. for practice.)
 
Not a bad summation....and, for many, a Glock 19 sized pistol is a duty gun....Best regards Rod (Hate to admit it but my wife's favorite is a Glock 19 for real with a Storm Lake 9mm bbl. for practice.)
G19 is the best 9mm out there.
 
Long waisted and thin, full size guns in warm weather attire.....nope.

Am happy w my P365 for good weather.

Bundled up i run a full size auto
 
Concealing a full size handgun is not a "magic trick". One dresses to conceal the gun.
I'd agree whole heartedly, Grizz....and it's relatively easy short of beach attire. And there are places that you can't carry....swimming pools, the shower, while performing on a trampoline...the list goes on. Dress appropriately if you need to carry....it's pretty simple really. No Cop hate here....you guys are our heroes. Best regards, respectfully, Rod
 
I like the feel of my 1911 on my hip, whether IWB or OWB, but my hip prefers OWB, and my back doesn't like it either way, so I carry my Gx4 and/or my PT738 daily.
 
I like the feel of my 1911 on my hip, whether IWB or OWB, but my hip prefers OWB, and my back doesn't like it either way, so I carry my Gx4 and/or my PT738 daily.
I agree with your comfort comment. More weight = more pain at night.
 
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I think you should carry the biggest gun you can conceal comfortably.
A lot of it has to do with body size, shape and clothes.
I have a friend 6'2" probably 185 that carries a G21 IWB under a T shirt and you never see it.
I am shorter and heavier, and I can carry a full size 1911 owb with a open shirt over a T shirt.
Just with a T shirt I carry a smaller gun, usually a Sig 365.
 
Last year I bought a full size $400 Rock Island GI basic 1911 in 45 auto. I left the smooth plain wood grips on along with the low profile sights. It is so easy to carry in a leather OWB 1791 holster. No snagging and for me it is Minute of Man up to 25 yards and accurate enough with no FTF/FTE issues whatsoever.
 
For years and still now for 'special occasions' I carried a Colt lightweight Commander (.45 ACP) as my hideout gun. For reference, I am 5' 5" and weigh 147 pounds. Yes, I wear a sport coat and often a tie. I look natural that way. Holster is just aft of right hip (my strong side). I am now older and my strong arm feels a bit 'iffy' at times, so these days I carry a S&W K frame (six shot) revolver with three inch barrel. The best advice I can give is to forget it's there most of the time. If you don't look suspicious, they won't be. And don't pat it. (Don't leave it in the comfort station at a restaurant, either.)

I have to agree, most non carriers would not spot it were it taped to my forehead. Some cops and many kids will discover it as cops should be looking and kids have no qualms about it.
 
And how does one carry such that access while driving is even achievable?

I realize that one could unholster their CCW and place it on the seat beside them, but that CCW could easily go flying in the event of a fender-bender. Glove box? Basically out of reach. Under your thigh? You could lose it. AWIB? Seat belt issue. Center Console?

I spent a good deal of time driving from point A to point B and think about this. I’ve yet to find the perfect solution. I have to empty my pockets before I drive…might need my wallet, or phone, etc. Driving with a CCW can be a PITA.
I keep a full size gun in the center console. When I had a truck with a console, I screwed a holster to the back of the console. It isn't the fastest thing in the world but it beat getting it from under the seatbelt. It's less than 2 seconds.
 
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