EAA Witness 10mm magazine problems

[Cap'n Jack Burntbeard]

So i picked up my new 10mm tanfoglio on friday. I brought it home, cleaned it, adjusted the trigger, and then i tried to load the magazine.
I can barely get 10 rounds in it, it is supposed to fit 15. It feels like the follower is jamming.
I have taken the mag apart, cleaned, oiled, and deburred the follower, but still no difference.
Have any of you had the same problem, and if so how did you fix it?

 

[wally]

Some people have recently reported receiving EAA mags with the springs in upside down, try reversing it (put the end on the follower now, on the base plate) and see how it loads.

 

[Cap'n Jack Burntbeard]

Some people have recently reported receiving EAA mags with the springs in upside down

It seemed to be right side up to me anyway, but ill try that.

 

[Cap'n Jack Burntbeard]

Are there better aftermarket followers out there?

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

I had the same problem with my Rock Island hi capacity 1911. I could only get 9 or 10 rounds in any of the 3 mags. Do yourself a favor and get a Lula pistol loader http://www.jgsales.com/product_info...der-/manufacturers_id/59/products_id/1802?SID the first time I used it I was able to load all my mags to full capacity.

 

[Cap'n Jack Burntbeard]

I just double checked the mag springs, they are in correctly

 

[Cap'n Jack Burntbeard]

Update:
I got 15 in, but the follower seems to be sticking a little still, the spring pressure is uneven like a crapco SKS mag.

 

[JoelSteinbach]

I had similar problems but after a few hundred rounds loaded in each mag they now hold 15

 

[writerinmo]

With new mags I use my Uplula speedloader, these old fingers just don't seem to work as good as they used too. I keep the mags fully loaded and when watching tv will load and unload them. When shooting I usually only load to one under capacity for a few times, then start trying them fully loaded. I discount any FTF during this time as breakin problems. If it shoots ten fine, then just give the mag time to settle in. Doing it this way has proven itself over time to me at least as the best way to do it.

 

[Cap'n Jack Burntbeard]

With new mags I use my Uplula speedloader, these old fingers just don't seem to work as good as they used too. I keep the mags fully loaded and when watching tv will load and unload them. When shooting I usually only load to one under capacity for a few times, then start trying them fully loaded.

Yeah I just ordered an UPLULA, along with some range ammo and three more mags (the cheap bastards only give you one).

 

[Kingofthehill]

I love my EAA 10mm but i can't trust it because of magazine issues.

i wish i could find a solution. So now its just a range toy

 

[dwldwl]

Update EAA Witness 10mm full-size: Well, the Grams 12 coil spring from Henning didn’t make any difference but it was much sturdier and straighter than the factory one and fit the magazine better and having the follower attached to the spring makes the mag easier to work with. In my opinion, the problem is with the Tanfoglio 15rd 10mm mag body. The nose of the rounds start to rub up against the inside of the mag as they near the top and yet the cartridge base is all the way back and the OAL is to spec. This makes rounds case mouths (uncrimped) catch on the high, straight mag lip and stop the cartridge right in its’ tracks.
So I decided to grind a wide and shallow U-shape on the lip of the mag (about 3/16ths of an inch deep at the center) like you see on some other pistol mags. It worked. It gave the cartridges time to tip up just before they came on deck and the case mouths don’t come in contact with the now missing straight edge. I’ve only fired two mag-fulls (15 rds. ea) successfully through for now (with eye protection), but I’m optimistic.
I use the UpLULA Universal Pistol Mag Loader the guy at the local gunshop/indoor range talked me into. It was a little pricey and kind of a puzzle at first (not the first time I felt foolish at a range) but once you get the hang of it, it’s great. The last two rounds (14&15 or is it 1&2?) still have to be pressed in a lot harder than the rest but it doesn't hurt this loader. So for now I’ll just wing it with the one mag. (this pistol is not my carry). If it keeps performing correctly, I'll buy a couple more mags and do the work on them too.

 

[cobblestone]

I have a full size 9mm witness, super accurate but it has had mag problems with all 5 factory mags.

 

[greyling22]

I don't think EAA has solved the 9mm mag problems yet. Supposedly there is a rear spacer mag in the works that is supposed to solve the problems. 1 of my 3 mags won't work at all. nosedived and jams every round. the other 2 run fine-ish.

 

[Casefull]

I put a glock mag spring in my compact 10mm witness and it helped. I also shortened up the oal of rounds and that helped even more. I believe the 10mm are real fussy with cartridge length...if round is a little shorter it seems to bind less as rounds compress the spring.

 

[dwldwl]

Back to square one.

Update #2 on my Witness 10mm magazine. I thought I had the fix in my last review but the more rounds I put through it the more it went back to its' old ways. I can't figure it out. The rounds constantly jam it'll do two from the mag then jam, sometimes only one then it jams. So what I have now is a great-looking and accurate pistol that has a capacity of 1+1 not 15 +1. It's too bad because it's so comfortable for me to shoot and accurate. For now it's a cool looking paperweight. I really hesitate to try another Tanfoglio magazine, but I can't find anyone else that makes one.

I'll have to try the shorter rounds and keep an eye out for the rear spacer mag.

 

[greyling22]

over on brian enos's forms they have a good section on witness' I also came across a post there that said starting next mec-gar would be supplying the witness mags to tangfolio. I don't know if that will help mag quality or not. here's a thread on 10mm mags http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=118787

 

[dwldwl]

The search continues.

Thanks, I'll check out the link and hope for the new supplier.

Here's my post after today at the range with the LF 10mm Witness:

Alas, even my second new Tangfoglio 10mm magazine did not work. I even tried using the follower from the compact model. It failed just the same (but no worse) than the large frame one. I would never depend on this to protect myself. I like the looks, feel, accuracy (with the rounds between the constant jams), and lower felt recoil, but this gun don't shoot. I will go as far to say if the other models like mine work the same way as mine, this gun is actually DANGEROUS what with all the unjamming you have to do. I would not recommend it to anybody. I should have got the Glock. As for the Witness, looks and low price aren't everything. I'll hang onto my Witness hoping for a miracle fix from somewhere I haven't looked yet.

 

[wally]

Been a while since I've been to brianenos.com or Hennings site, but sure look like lots of folks have had way more mag issues than I have had!

I will certainly hope for Mec-Gar 10mm Witness mags next year as I've not been fully able to solve the nose up jam problem with these.

 

[fluffi]

Mag problems

Capn jack, if i had a pistol that wouldnt feed with 3-4 different mags i would be looking for problems like extractor, feed ramp or throat issues.Possibly even different ammo? Just my 2 cents.:banghead:

 

[dwldwl]

The Witness saga continues. The Glock 20? Saga-less.

In addition to the chronic jamming and tip-up problems, I noticed my Wonder Finish FS Slide was starting to crack near the back/top "corner" of the ejector cut out. This type of problem shooting ammo within SAAMI specs should not be a problem. So off it went on a wing and a prayer back to EAA for repair at my shipping cost both ways. Nevertheless it still saves money over just buying another slide yourself. For some reason I half expected they were going to tell me to go fish for supposedly abusing the gun or some such nonsense.
I was pleasantly surprised when it arrived back just 8-days later with a new slide fitted on it. This one had an adjustable rear sight (with short base) and was black rather than Wonder-Finished and the gun looks damn nice that way. I think it's the slide that is used with the Witness P (polymer) Full-Size except the back sight is adjustable. I had read that the Wonder-Finishing process overheats the slide metal and makes it more brittle. They said my mag. tested OK. So I thought maybe the feed problem was the Wonder slide.
Well I took it to the range today and put 100 rounds through it and the original mag. It choked big time like it always did. The slide made no difference. The best the Witness did was when I switched out the spring and follower with the Mec Gar's .45 Witness ones which actually helped it shoot 9 rounds in-a -row once and 8 in-a-row another time. When it did fire, it was really accurate. The most common feed problem was the nose up as if the rounds working their way up behind the top one push it too high.
Anyway, I had enough for now. So I left the range, bought the latest Glock 20 (my first Glock in any caliber) and returned to the range. It performed flawlessly right out of the box. I only put 50 rounds through it but I got accurate with it. Should've bought the Glock in the first place. Well, the EAA is a piece of junk that's tantalizingly close to being a great pistol. I'll wait for a cure - maybe Mec-Gar will make a 10mm mag. that works since Tangfoglio can't seem to get it done or care to try. I've got a heavier recoil spring on the way. Who knows.

 

[greyling22]

have you seen this thread yet? http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?PHPSESSID=d8c198dbc0c434b93c73a965b434e871&topic=33673.0

 

[dwldwl]

geez

10mm full-size Wonder. Well, with the heavier recoil spring, the non-Wonder finish replacement slide (Wonder one cracked), heavier magazine spring, Tanfoglio .45 acp follower, (the latter two sacrifices 2rds capacity of the mag -small price to pay) some vertical electric tape strips on the right side/top1/3 of the mag to stop the side-to-side motion of the mag at the top, and using round nose (not round-nose flat tip) copper- plated hollow-base 155 gr. bullets, ...so far the mag is actually working! But I've been fooled before. I need to put a lot more rounds through it though to be sure. I'll let you know.

 

[SuperBoomTurbo]

10mm stock II mag issues?

Howdy gang;
Despite reading all the issues with magazines for this glock alternative (been there, sold that), I bought a stock II 10mm a few weeks back and finally got time to hit the range yesterday.

The Good: Gunwise, the accuracy was easily the best of any handgun I've shot in this caliber, and just short of a tuned HK/Sig 45. It really does melt into your hand for a supreme grip. Recoil: it's a pussycat! I was shooting 180grn BVAC stuff and it was easier to manage than the taurus 917c 9mm I've had for several years.

The Bad: I had two FTF's (feed) with each magazine loaded to 14 rounds. The first was at round two (from the top) and the second midway through the magazine. Racking the slide ejected an unfired round though the gun functioned fine afterwards. I was rather curious about this as the magazine is stainless steel in color, not blued. The follower is red.

The Ugly: Not sure where it's happening, but the brass comes out really beat up on occasion. Buldged near the back on some cases and found a crack in one nearest the rim. Could be the ammo itself as I've never shot this brand (the BVAC that is) but the case is starline which I've shot out of a glock 20 six years ago and never had problems.

Aside from the mag issues, I noticed a little bit of grit in the trigger that isn't there when the gun is unloaded

I'm planning to let 14 rounds sit in the mag for awhile and maybe try some graphite lube on the follower. I haven't taken the magazine apart yet as until yesterday, it hadn't been shot. (Wanted to shoot it in factory form for eval).

 

[Nushif]

It really does melt into your hand for a supreme grip.

That alone is the reason I am sending my 10mm Polymer Compact back to the factory, instead of being angry.

You can't be angry with a company that makes a grip like that.