DammitBoy
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greyling said:
I hope the fix is that simple, I want the witness, but I don't want all the trouble that seems to come with their mags...
EAA Witness 10mm magazine problems
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I hope the fix is that simple, I want the witness, but I don't want all the trouble that seems to come with their mags...
Franco2shoot
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My 2 cents... which is based on a FTF problem that my son see's on his Jehrico in .45 like another poster, he loves the gun, but the occasional FTF's had him worried. When I pulled the spring from the mag I found it had an upward kink putting most of the spring pressure on the nose of the follower. He was experiencing the same problem. As the magazine emptied, the last couple bullets had increasingly high nose up attitudes ultimately jaming, being too high to enter the barrel.
I took almost all the kink out until I got the spring to apply most pressure to the center of the follower. You can test this by compressing the spring outside the magazine and noting how the spring collapses onto the bottom of the follower.
I also noticed that the various mags he has purchased seem to have different tolerances for the follower. Some are pretty sloppy, others fit in the magazine case nice and tight with no wobble. I've also noted that with a full mag the bullets come out nose low and will sometimes catch on the front lip of the Mag. To fix this, we just filed the edge so that it is angled downward and the brass doesn't catch on a sharp edge.
Just some thoughts.
KKKKFL
I took almost all the kink out until I got the spring to apply most pressure to the center of the follower. You can test this by compressing the spring outside the magazine and noting how the spring collapses onto the bottom of the follower.
I also noticed that the various mags he has purchased seem to have different tolerances for the follower. Some are pretty sloppy, others fit in the magazine case nice and tight with no wobble. I've also noted that with a full mag the bullets come out nose low and will sometimes catch on the front lip of the Mag. To fix this, we just filed the edge so that it is angled downward and the brass doesn't catch on a sharp edge.
Just some thoughts.
KKKKFL
Cryogaijin
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I was reading on the Minnesota firearms forum that many of the Tanfoglio 10mm magazines have painted interiors. (Mine do. . .) The paint is the same paint as the exterior of the magazine, and designed for easy gripping. The more rounds in the magazine, the more friction between the loaded rounds and the paint.
Strip the paint out of the interior of the magazine, put some hard lube on the interior of the magazine (I use Ski wax) and all the FTFeed issues go away.
Strip the paint out of the interior of the magazine, put some hard lube on the interior of the magazine (I use Ski wax) and all the FTFeed issues go away.
hemiram
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I have had 4 Tanfoglio guns, 2 fullsized 9mm, one a Witness, 1 compact 9mm, and a fullsized .45 Witness, all worked perfectly, with both factory and aftermarket mags. Right now, I still have one of the compact 9mms, and a fullsized 9mm, both are "Mossad" guns, identical to the earlier "small frame" witness. The compact one is in satin nickel, and the fullsized one has a satin nickel frame, but the slide is stainless. I've never seen one like it before.
I guess I've been lucky, but all 4 of my guns have been great! Zero mag issues. The only issue was a mag I bought online for my compact works fine, but the follower is different than the other ones, and it doesn't keep the slide open when it's empty.
I guess I've been lucky, but all 4 of my guns have been great! Zero mag issues. The only issue was a mag I bought online for my compact works fine, but the follower is different than the other ones, and it doesn't keep the slide open when it's empty.
DammitBoy
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hemiram - from what I've read the problem is mostly with the 10mm.
Update EAA Witness 10mm full-size: Even after the changes mentioned in my last post, it eventually got worse. The .45 follower in the 10mm mag wouldn’t keep the slide open after the last shot. Not that I got that far very often. I was so disgusted, I handed the jam-o-matic to my adult son and said ‘It’s yours. See if you can do anything with it.’ He worked with it for quite a while trying to figure out what the major malfunction was (with the pistol, not with me – he already knows me).
Anyway he got it to work. He put back in the original orange follower (kept the stronger spring I put in) and also kept the stronger recoil spring I put in. He figured out the cases were hanging up in the extractor. He worked on the extractor (someone mentioned that in a forum somewhere) and smoothed that area and that was it. It works now.
In the meantime, I had bought a Rock Island 1911 in 38 Super and am very happy with it. That was my second choice after the Witness (Try finding anything but these two brands in stock nowadays). The only reason I went with the Witness was more mag capacity. Forget about it. I don’t carry full-size anything anyway. I should have gotten the R.I. to begin with. It looks, feels, and works great, right out of the box (just like the Glock 20 I also bought in the meantime did.) and is real accurate. Along with the 9rd factory mag, I use a Chip McCormick 10 rd. Both work great. Three moderate priced pistols later. We're all happy.
Anyway he got it to work. He put back in the original orange follower (kept the stronger spring I put in) and also kept the stronger recoil spring I put in. He figured out the cases were hanging up in the extractor. He worked on the extractor (someone mentioned that in a forum somewhere) and smoothed that area and that was it. It works now.
In the meantime, I had bought a Rock Island 1911 in 38 Super and am very happy with it. That was my second choice after the Witness (Try finding anything but these two brands in stock nowadays). The only reason I went with the Witness was more mag capacity. Forget about it. I don’t carry full-size anything anyway. I should have gotten the R.I. to begin with. It looks, feels, and works great, right out of the box (just like the Glock 20 I also bought in the meantime did.) and is real accurate. Along with the 9rd factory mag, I use a Chip McCormick 10 rd. Both work great. Three moderate priced pistols later. We're all happy.
DammitBoy
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I won't be buying a Witness in 10mm or any other caliber after reading nothing but troubles on several forums.
This is very depressing because it seems like a great idea with crappy execution by tangfolio.
This is very depressing because it seems like a great idea with crappy execution by tangfolio.
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