easy gun control

[kimbershot]

how about controlling your guns when you aren't using them?? how hard is it to remove a ar bolt or any rifle bolt for that matter and storing it away from the host firearm? how hard is it to run a locking cable through the action of a handgun?

what more can i say?

 

[Hacker15E]

How does that prevent anything?

 

[MachIVshooter]

what more can i say?

Nothing. Please.

 

[M-Cameron]

are you suggesting this is something that should be made required?

or simply something you are suggesting people take up in practice?



if you are transporting a gun, a cable lock might not be a bad idea.......but if its sitting in a locked safe, i see no reason why it should be locked up additionally or even dismantled.

 

[kimbershot]

how about some critical thinking instead of stupid remarks.

if your not using it--store it! (lock it in a safe works if you have a safe). gee, if you aren't using a weapon--which is what is said in my op make, it hard to operate. maybe someone who is mentally defective-- or lacks common sense or steals said weapon, might not be able to use it in such a manner that could do harm to anyone. do you need the government to tell you that??????????????

 

[M-Cameron]

if your not using it--store it! gee, if you aren't using a weapon--which is what is said in my op and it's properly stored, maybe someone who is mentally defective-- or lacks common sense or steals said weapon, might not be able to use it in such a manner that could do harm to anyone.

i know you mean well, but you mean to tell me someone who can coordinate a mass shooting cant figure out how to get a cable lock off or reassemble a gun?

just because a person is mentally ill doensnt mean they are any less coordinated or less intelligent than anyone else.

 

[Skribs]

1) Just because it's not currently sending lead downrange doesn't mean I don't need it. I have guns in my safe - especially long guns - loaded because I might actually need them for HD. I bought a gun because I might need to use it. Not so I can assemble it in the middle of the night when I hear a noise.

2) Anyone who can access the internet can go to google and type in "AR-15 owner's manual" and get the full MOA on how to detail strip and reassemble the rifle. Unless the person is mechanically inept or too stupid to read online instructions (or even the instructions on Youtube), then they will be able to reassemble the rifle.

Which leads us to the conclusion...all your strategy would do is *maybe* prevent unauthorized access during a break-in (which safes already do), while *definitely* preventing authorized access during a break-in. It would do nothing to prevent crime after the gun is stolen, unless the idiot steals the rifle without making sure it is complete.

All of my weapons are ready to go if needed. Storing them as you say would be counterproductive to defensive strategy.

 

[Rom828]

I've told people who are afraid of getting guns because they have small kids in the house the very same thing. How hard is it to take the slide or cylinder out of a pistol or the bolt out of a rifle and store them in different places or lock up the small parts? It would have complicated things for the little insane bastard in Connecticut and his mother and 25 others might still be alive. All in all everyone needs to secure their weapons. Even my home SD pistol is secured in a gun vault safe that I can open in the blink of an eye.

 

[M-Cameron]

It would have complicated things for the little insane bastard in Connecticut and his mother and 25 others might still be alive.

the guy killed his own mother......after that, it didnt make a lick difference where she kept her guns as he would have then had access to the keys or all the time in the world to break into the safe. she could have had her guns in Ft. Knox, it still wouldnt have changed what happened.

 

[Skribs]

Rom828, a safe would be a much better way to prevent unauthorized access to the kid. If they can't afford a safe, then you're right, partial diassembly would be a good way to prevent them from accessing the gun.

However, it is not a good method to prevent a thief (or in this case, the guy who went through the school) from using the weapon. A quick search online would tell him what he needs to do.

Or maybe we should censor the internet too...(kidding)

 

[Tim the student]

how about some critical thinking instead of stupid remarks.

Yes please.

 

[JVaughn]

Gentlemen, it isn't about what equipment you have or how you store it. The fact of the matter is that evil will persist with or without guns, just as it has since the dawn of time. The real point is this: does the government have the right to make these decisions for us? the answer is no. We can speculate forever about what would have prevented past events, or what might prevent future ones. It is not for government to say. Shall not be infringed.

What more can I say?

 

[Agsalaska]

Im going to play devils advocate here and will give the op the benefit of the doubt. I have friends, and relatives, that are too loose with their firearms. So much to the point that I will not leave my children with them. We, as gun owners, have a responsibility, in our own homes and our controlled surroundings(car, office), to ensure our loaded firearms, cannot be compromised. For example, I have a relative who is a cop. He has four pistols that I know of that are unlocked, loaded, and chambered throughout his house. Guess what, my kids are not coming over. I have another uncle that will leave loaded rifles laying around his farmhouse. Again, not smart. Not when you have dozens of people visiting you at any given time.

I dont think the OP is referring to your own protection. He is talking about common sense measures. If your kids, or you for that matter, came to my house, you could spend all the time you needed trying to find and utilize my firearms. And you would not succeed. But I can be downstairs, or upstairs, and arm myself to a threat within seconds. Be responsible.

 

[p2000sk]

Dear Kimbershot,
What one person feels are ideal procedures does not equate to what everyones' required procedures should be.
If anyone feels such storage procedures are best, any such person is free to move to a place where such storage procedures are legally required already.

 

[mg.mikael]

For example, I have a relative who is a cop. He has four pistols that I know of that are unlocked, loaded, and chambered throughout his house.

What's wrong with that?? I have a revolver barely a foot away from me when I sleep at night.

 

[phil dirt]

Most guns used in crimes are stolen. If you don't keep your guns secured when not in use, you are part of the problem!

 

[ColtPythonElite]

Criminals are the problem. Not my guns.

 

[Hacker15E]

Most guns used in crimes are stolen. If you don't keep your guns secured when not in use, you are part of the problem!

Yep, they are secured in my home. Anyone who takes them is all ready committing two crimes to begin with.

This is a concept called "blaming the victim", and it is just as ridiculous as the person who says a rape victim was 'asking for it' because of what she wore.

 

[wgaynor]

Locks only keep honest people honest. They do nothing to deter the criminal element.

 

[beatledog7]

It is not uncommon for people to store rarely used firearms in a partially disassembled state, the bolt out of a hunting rifle, for example. But if I break into your house and find your rifle, could I not also find your bolt? And if locking the bolt in a safe is supposed to keep that rifle from harming anyone, what's stopping the guy who just stole the rest of it from slapping in the bolt he can buy on-line.

The need is to address the perp, not the tool.

 

[bikerdoc]

The need is to address the perp, not the tool.

A simple definitive answer.

 

[Texan Scott]

First, everyone please stop referring to Adam Lanza as a kid. He was 20 years old. I was a married father of one and a homeowner at that age. I've known men - MEN - who were younger when they first deployed to combat zones. Mr. Lanza was a legal adult, and despite any speculation you might have heard to the contrary, despite being diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, was still mentally competent in the eyes of the law

Second, the OP has a valid point to some degree. I DO NOT AGREE with the idea of legally dictating a specific type of safe storage, but responsible gun owners know guns are potentially dangerous in the wrong hands and should do everything they think reasonable and appropriate to secure them from tampering.

This should be left to your own judgement ... but let's always use our own BEST judgement.

 

[otasan56]

Criminals are the problem. Not my guns.

This is so simply correct!!! Thanks.

 

[Agsalaska]

What's wrong with that?? I have a revolver barely a foot away from me when I sleep at night.

There is a lot wrong with it when you have 20 relatives over, 8 of whom you don't know very well, 9 of whom are under the age of 12, over for the Super Bowl.

 

[45_auto]

Locks only keep honest people honest. They do nothing to deter the criminal element.

I've never understood that philosophy. I deal with calls every day where locks have deterred thieves.

Had a house broken into earlier this week. Lost lots of electronics, etc, but no high dollar jewelry or guns out of his safe.

We had a rash of bike thefts here at a local college. The only bikes that were stolen were those not locked up.

A local sporting goods store was broken into and lost lots of pistols, and scopes out of the glass cases that the thieves broke into. The rifles were secured to a rack with a heavy cable. None of them were taken.