David E
Member
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2008
- Messages
- 7,459
Try the Pachmayers I've mentioned several times. Get the "Decelerator" version if possible.
Last edited:
Effective with little to no recoil... SD/HD tool
- Thread starter trikster
- Start date
- Status
Try the Pachmayers I've mentioned several times. Get the "Decelerator" version if possible.
1911Tuner
Moderator Emeritus
Newton's third law says that zero recoil is impossible. If you start an action, you must have a reaction. Reducing recoil is actually reducing the effects of recoil...or "Felt" recoil, if you prefer.
The only way to reduce actual recoil is to reduce the mass of the bullet...the acceleration/velocity of the bullet...or increase the mass of the gun...or do all three. A .22 rimfire revolver weighing 32 ounces will barely move when fired. The same revolver firing full power .357 ammunition with a 158 grain bullet will punch your hand like Rocky Marciano.
The only way to reduce actual recoil is to reduce the mass of the bullet...the acceleration/velocity of the bullet...or increase the mass of the gun...or do all three. A .22 rimfire revolver weighing 32 ounces will barely move when fired. The same revolver firing full power .357 ammunition with a 158 grain bullet will punch your hand like Rocky Marciano.
Happinessisawarmgun
Member
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2011
- Messages
- 4
Somebod does not know about polymer 9mm. They have less recoil than all steel 9mm. Ive shot both. It is a fact polymer helps absorb felt recoil opposed to all steel. I have a kahr cw9 polymer frame ,ss slide,stopping power of a 9mm and the recoil is that less of your 38. I would check a nice duty polymer like fat dave said
pikid89
Member
I don't know about that now, i had a cw9 and after about 100 rounds, my hands and wrist were a little sore, and I have no joint issues, my 686 however, i can runs hundreds of 38's with no soreness whatsoever
allaroundhunter
Member
Unless the barrel and slide of your polymer 9mm is more than enough to make up for the steel frame of the other 9mm (or you have found a way around physics) this isn't possible.
The added weight of the steel frame will actually tame the recoil. Now, once you go into the operation of the gun, be it recoil operated, straight blowback, etc., is when perceived recoil changes.
This can go into the thread about "The best lie you've ever had a gun dealer tell you"
trikster
Member
Well, it appears that the little J-frame will most likely be offered up for sale soon. I called up my buddy and talked to him about my issues with the gun and said I was thinking about picking up a set of grips like the one DavidE mentioned...long story short I got to talk to his dad (retired NRA pistol instructor) and he let me shoot his with the grips in question. Same problem I have been having. I got to try 148g, 158g, and I think 110g; all in standard pressures. I also tried 148g wadcutters in cowboy loads... All newer ammo too. No luck. I tried a K frame as well, after the M36, and it was a lot better, but I don't think well enough. I want to still try a K-frame on a rested wrist to be sure, but for certain, the M36 is just too lightweight.
As far as my grip is concerned, my friends father said I had a "High Hand grasp" (wrote it down since I had never heard the term before, when I looked it up, it is the grip Massad Ayoob says to use...see pic below). The only thing he criticized was my stance as being too stiff and board straight. He said my grip was very good and seemed natural for me. I asked if I was holding too tight and he agreed with Massad that I should be holding nearly as tight as I can; I always have.
Little disappointed, I have always liked the "Chief's Special" the most out of any revolver. Guess I am on to something bigger. Sigh...
Here is the pic of what my grip looks like. I wrap my other hand around the front of my first hand and use it primarily as support for my firing hand. I got the picture from the following site... http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob85.html
As far as my grip is concerned, my friends father said I had a "High Hand grasp" (wrote it down since I had never heard the term before, when I looked it up, it is the grip Massad Ayoob says to use...see pic below). The only thing he criticized was my stance as being too stiff and board straight. He said my grip was very good and seemed natural for me. I asked if I was holding too tight and he agreed with Massad that I should be holding nearly as tight as I can; I always have.
Little disappointed, I have always liked the "Chief's Special" the most out of any revolver. Guess I am on to something bigger. Sigh...
Here is the pic of what my grip looks like. I wrap my other hand around the front of my first hand and use it primarily as support for my firing hand. I got the picture from the following site... http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob85.html
Dirty Bob
Member
Trikster,
If you go to the Rallying Point and Range Discussions section, you could probably find some THR members right around you who'd demo various guns and let you try what you wanted. If you get to San Antonio, I'd be happy to bring out a full-size polymer Ruger P95 9mm, as well as some smaller-calibered items for you to try if you wanted.
We can chat all we want, but the final decision is yours. I'm sure I'm not the only member wiling to help you out if we can.
All my best,
Dirty Bob
If you go to the Rallying Point and Range Discussions section, you could probably find some THR members right around you who'd demo various guns and let you try what you wanted. If you get to San Antonio, I'd be happy to bring out a full-size polymer Ruger P95 9mm, as well as some smaller-calibered items for you to try if you wanted.
We can chat all we want, but the final decision is yours. I'm sure I'm not the only member wiling to help you out if we can.
All my best,
Dirty Bob
trikster
Member
They were targets...just cowboy loads. The guys wife uses them (she is in her late 60's). They weren't too bad, but the shock to my wrist was still very uncomfortable. Going to try a M10 or M15 if I can find a decent one. There is a super nice one at my LGS, but they want $500 for it. There is one at a different shop nearly as nice for $350. Problem with the other shop, bunch of sheisters. Had a gun on consignment that they lost for three months and suddenly when I found a buyer, then the gun was miraculously found. Gun appeared to have been "borrowed" and shot a lot. Don't feel like giving them any business, even if their pricing is much better.
Happinessisawarmgun
Member
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2011
- Messages
- 4
Any ccw pistol you will feel something after a 100 rounds,tha2s after 100 rounds as opposed to plinking with a box of 50... Tell you what go grab a plastic(polymer pipe and bang the end with a hammer,then grab a steel pipe and bang the end,,which one did you feel more impact?? Yes steel is heavier but it also does nothing for dampening the felt vibration.
browncoatdawn
Member
Tricky
This one is pretty tricky.
I wouldn't want to use a tazer, as that requires more personal contact, and the leverage and lashing on the wrist would still cause pain.
Another thing, living in California, the idiocracy that reigns seems to have a rather hostile view of guns and has its own list of what is "Acceptable", and a listing on the DOJ website which I haven't looked at in a few years.
They also have these odd, idiotic rules about long arms. No pistol grip shotguns or rifles, no removeable magazines, and both long and short arms are limited to ten rounds.
I don't know if there are limitations on the actual ammutnition that can be used, but it would not surprise me.
Personally, I would look into other medical opinions on treatments, surgueries, and therapies to gain anything you can, as it will improve the quality of life in general.
Meanwhile, I would look into braces, wraps, straps, and any other means to sure up the body. My dad has to wear a leather brace around his wrist if he shoots more than a handful of rounds, and I suspect I may need to sure up my left wrist in the future, but I hope not. The surgery they performed to reconstruct my left wrist was nothing less than a work of art, and I am thankful it was done so well.
I have found that the PK380 is indeed a soft shooter, and even my friends wife loved it. She doesn't normally like to shoot anything other than her old H&R 22lr revolver. It was her dads, and it's a handsome gun, and good shooter.
This one is pretty tricky.
I wouldn't want to use a tazer, as that requires more personal contact, and the leverage and lashing on the wrist would still cause pain.
Another thing, living in California, the idiocracy that reigns seems to have a rather hostile view of guns and has its own list of what is "Acceptable", and a listing on the DOJ website which I haven't looked at in a few years.
They also have these odd, idiotic rules about long arms. No pistol grip shotguns or rifles, no removeable magazines, and both long and short arms are limited to ten rounds.
I don't know if there are limitations on the actual ammutnition that can be used, but it would not surprise me.
Personally, I would look into other medical opinions on treatments, surgueries, and therapies to gain anything you can, as it will improve the quality of life in general.
Meanwhile, I would look into braces, wraps, straps, and any other means to sure up the body. My dad has to wear a leather brace around his wrist if he shoots more than a handful of rounds, and I suspect I may need to sure up my left wrist in the future, but I hope not. The surgery they performed to reconstruct my left wrist was nothing less than a work of art, and I am thankful it was done so well.
I have found that the PK380 is indeed a soft shooter, and even my friends wife loved it. She doesn't normally like to shoot anything other than her old H&R 22lr revolver. It was her dads, and it's a handsome gun, and good shooter.
trikster
Member
I have looked into a brace and have not really seen much designed for the purpose. I was looking at some bowling gloves, but have not seen any without a part that goes around the thumb to stabilize it. That part interferes with holding the gun (already tried it with the glove I already had).
I have had 3 different doctors from two different groups review my case and surgery isn't an option. If they remove the damaged cartilage, I won't have any left. I am pre-arthritic as well (since I was 17). From what they all say, I am about as good as I am going to get. I can and have done strengthening exercises, but the problem isn't in the muscles, its the cartilage. It really sucks.
I love the gun. Wish it was a 6-shot, but I love absolutely everything else about it. The only other gun I like as much is the M14 Target Masterpiece (6" barrel I think). I watched my great uncle shoot dimes at 50 feet and thought it was amazing. Always wanted one and was angry with my parents for not letting me have the pistol when he passed... I got the signed baseball that is cool, but I am not a fan of the game, so it didn't mean as much to me.
I have had 3 different doctors from two different groups review my case and surgery isn't an option. If they remove the damaged cartilage, I won't have any left. I am pre-arthritic as well (since I was 17). From what they all say, I am about as good as I am going to get. I can and have done strengthening exercises, but the problem isn't in the muscles, its the cartilage. It really sucks.
I love the gun. Wish it was a 6-shot, but I love absolutely everything else about it. The only other gun I like as much is the M14 Target Masterpiece (6" barrel I think). I watched my great uncle shoot dimes at 50 feet and thought it was amazing. Always wanted one and was angry with my parents for not letting me have the pistol when he passed... I got the signed baseball that is cool, but I am not a fan of the game, so it didn't mean as much to me.
trikster
Member
I broke both wrists (they were pulled backwards over the back of my hand) and dislocated both shoulders in an accident. I always hold the steering wheel with my thumbs on the same side of the wheel as the rest of my fingers (so I don't break my thumb in an accident) but instead of my hands getting thrown wide, the tucked into the steering wheel and double-snap! When I pivot my hand up and down, you can see a ledge where my wrist shifts as it pivots.
David E
Member
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2008
- Messages
- 7,459
Ok, you broke both wrists....but I didn't ask that. I asked how's your other hand? Is it better than the hand you're using to test-fire these guns?
If yes, then consider learning how to shoot with that hand.
If not, then we are back to a .32, .22 magnum or .22 long rifle.
If yes, then consider learning how to shoot with that hand.
If not, then we are back to a .32, .22 magnum or .22 long rifle.
trikster
Member
It's my weaker hand...
I would reccomend the Kel-tec P-32, Kelteck makes a 10 round magazine that allows a full grip.
Also Bersa makes a 22 long rifle autoloader see the link below for a review
http://www.gunblast.com/Bersa-Thunder22.htm
These two pistols are within the budget you are looking for and offer low recoil.
Also Bersa makes a 22 long rifle autoloader see the link below for a review
http://www.gunblast.com/Bersa-Thunder22.htm
These two pistols are within the budget you are looking for and offer low recoil.
Last edited:
Jim Watson
Member
I thought of you when I saw the American Rifleman cover gun, a Taurus .22 LR - .22 WRM convertable 9 shot revolver. But the darn thing is on their medium or large frame and with the small .22 holes weighs nearly three pounds.
They got a Kel Tec PMR30 .22 WRM auto that worked. That might make sense.
They got a Kel Tec PMR30 .22 WRM auto that worked. That might make sense.
trikster
Member
I do like the feel of the Bersa Thunder .380, didn't know they made a .22. That may be a viable option too... I am looking at some of the .22 convertible revolvers, most are SA though. I like the look of the new SP101 .22, but have yet to see/handle one.
igousigloo
Member
.32 acp? Ain't gonna work in that gun without getting it cut for moonclips.
32 acp is semi rimmed. I have a Taurus M327 which is the same size as a j frame, and I shoot 32 acp in it quite often.
32 acp is semi rimmed. I have a Taurus M327 which is the same size as a j frame, and I shoot 32 acp in it quite often.
Trikster, on a personal note, every time I come back to this thread I ache for you. I hate what you went through - but I suppose we all face obstacles in life. I commend you for keeping at it & I wish you the best in finding the answer... I'm sure it's out there. I believe that 22mag or the 5.7 may wind up working for you, though the 5.7 will be pricey.
MedWheeler
Member
Haven't seen all the replies, but I seem to remember that CZ makes a handsome steel pistol that holds about 13 rounds of .32ACP. If that's what I had to rock with, I'd feel okay about it.
If the all-steel CZ is too heavy, then here's another nod to the Kel-Tec P32, possibly with the extended-grip/capacity magazine. I carry a P32 in my pocket a lot though, admittedly, it is usually backing up a belt-carried PF9. The P32, particularly the second-generation version (flat slide-top), is quite reliable when loaded with full-length (FMJ) ammo, and can be as much so with expanding ammo when fitted with Kel-Tec's rimlock rod.
Edit: I just saw "Gazpacho" mentioned the CZ (model 83) in post #43..
Doesn't California have some restrictions on the .32 ACP round, either in capacity, or in gun size? I know at least one state says that either the round is too small or something like that, or some of the guns chambered for it are. Can't remember exactly what I read, or to what state it was referring.
If the all-steel CZ is too heavy, then here's another nod to the Kel-Tec P32, possibly with the extended-grip/capacity magazine. I carry a P32 in my pocket a lot though, admittedly, it is usually backing up a belt-carried PF9. The P32, particularly the second-generation version (flat slide-top), is quite reliable when loaded with full-length (FMJ) ammo, and can be as much so with expanding ammo when fitted with Kel-Tec's rimlock rod.
Edit: I just saw "Gazpacho" mentioned the CZ (model 83) in post #43..
Doesn't California have some restrictions on the .32 ACP round, either in capacity, or in gun size? I know at least one state says that either the round is too small or something like that, or some of the guns chambered for it are. Can't remember exactly what I read, or to what state it was referring.
Last edited:
trikster
Member
About the only thing I know for sure is that mags cannot have more than 10 rounds in them. I saw an old Colt .32 revolver today. If there is a restriction on that size, I am unaware of it.
I an leaning towards the Bersa .22 and the Ruger Single Six with the two different cylinders. I have held the SS and the Bersa .380 (which is supposed to feel the same, just a hair lighter than the .22), but like the Ruger a touch more. Seems the pros outweigh the cons compared to the Bersa.
I an leaning towards the Bersa .22 and the Ruger Single Six with the two different cylinders. I have held the SS and the Bersa .380 (which is supposed to feel the same, just a hair lighter than the .22), but like the Ruger a touch more. Seems the pros outweigh the cons compared to the Bersa.
- Status
