Efforts to ban bump stocks come to halt

[DeepSouth]

I didn’t see this posted anywhere and I know many are interested, and yes we know many are not, anyway I figured I’d share the predicted news.

I know I for one wasn’t at all surprised by this revelation, apparently the ATF isn’t willing to take the blame so they are sticking by their previous (and correct) decisions on “bumpstock devises”
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Full article here their are certainly better articles on this out ther but I’m lazy, so I didn’t look.

Most of the article I saw was just anti-gun garbage but the last paragraph was.....

The ATF wrote letters in 2010 and 2013 explaining how current laws — the Gun Control Act (1968) and National Firearms Act (1934) — do not provide an avenue for the bureau to regulate the gun attachments, which enable shooters to fire semiautomatic weapons at nearly the rate of automatic ones, according to CQ-Roll Call.

The bureau met with lawmakers again on Friday to reiterate yet again that Congress needs to pass a law on bump stocks before the ATF can enforce it.

 

[Walkalong]

As it should be. Now we'll see if if ever makes it anywhere in Congress, as the emotion of the moment is fading and other news takes its place.

 

[grampajack]

Whatever happened to the bill they were drafting? Did that just die on the vine, or is it still in the works?

 

[kcofohio]

Whatever happened to the bill they were drafting? Did that just die on the vine, or is it still in the works?

If I remember, the senate or congress committee declined to give the bill a session. And they punted it to the ATF.

 

[Mauser lover]

Subscribed to this thread...

 

[grampajack]

If I remember, the senate or congress committee declined to give the bill a session. And they punted it to the ATF.

I see, that makes sense now.

 

[JONWILL]

As it should be. Now we'll see if if ever makes it anywhere in Congress, as the emotion of the moment is fading and other news takes its place.

This is like everything else now. Once a new story starts the others die out. Seems like a 1 to 2 week cycle.

The other thing may be that they have been informed that you don' even need a stock to bumpfire. It has been around for a long time. Just your finger and a belt hoop.

 

[grampajack]

I like to think we scared the critters in Congress into backing down.

 

[jmorris]

Everyone in a position to cause change, said they would "look into it...."

Thats like telling a child "in a minute" when you expect their short attention span to expire before any action is needed or you have to repeat "just a minute."

 

[FL-NC]

News cycle.

 

[kozak6]

What? They had no issues shutting down the Akins Accelerator.

Man, the ATF just continues to baffle and bemuse me at every step.

 

[BigBore44]

It still amazes me how short our memory is. The LV shooter made about a 2 week run in the news and then....Poof. On to other things. As many here have stated, Time is our friend for all things gun related. And it appears this was another one of those times.

 

[Tirod]

The ATF is beholden to some degree to the POTUS. As Fast and Furious, among other schemes, has shown. We have a different Administration who is loathe to pencil new restrictions out of thin air, so the bumpstock ban has to meet the letter of the existing laws. That is their charter.

What would a new ATF regulation have to endure to meet the letter of the law absent Congress telling them what to do? A proposed interpretation, which has to be open for review and input taken during an announced period where it can assessed by the public. How is that going to work out? Since it was previously considered legal and the ATF has shown it's decision was valid, how do they get around that?

Not going to happen. It would be a massive waste of time and the public won't put up with it, as demonstrated by the attempt to ban steel core ammo as "armor piercing." Even that was a disengenous work around and the effort took up a lot of hours for naught. Why bring that on themselves when the ATF simply isn't going to be told to do it?

Even tho Congress delegates the power to regulate to Agencies - DOT, EPA etc they can't make laws from whole cloth, only interpret the ones Congress passes. If there wasn't any way to ban bumpstocks before - and Congress certainly avoided getting into that fracas by delegating to the ATF before - then Congress has to take it up and schedule time to make law.

Remains to be seen how it would survive committee. What could more likely happen is bumpstock bans in a few states as State legislatures may be more amenable to such goings on, AKA the NY SAFE act. A national level ban would be difficult to enact considering the amount of political capital that would have to be spent. And there isn't a lot of that to go around right now, considering other more scandalous issues that are coming up.

What we may be seeing are the remnants of our opponents agenda playing out in an political climate that was supposed to be friendly. And it's not happening that way as we are living in a timeline they didn't anticipate.

So, Congress, where's the bumpstock ban now? Up to you, just like the NRA asked, the ATF has made their decision and they can't do it.

 

[grampajack]

What does this mean for the hearing protection act?

 

[hdwhit]

What does this mean for the hearing protection act?

Likely nothing.

Congress has moved on to other matters like keeping the government operating for the rest of the year.

 

[reddog81]

The ATF can't do anything about it. One pull of the trigger + one shot = legal. This was the best possible outcome for bump fire stocks. The legislature could change the law but they'd get serious backlash and know it.

It's anybodies guess what will happen to the HPA. I figured it would have passed by now but Republicans can't even agree on the color of the sky. At this point I'd be surprised if it passes anytime in the near future.

 

[Sunray]

"...current laws..." Those same laws do not say, "Once an MG, Always an MG." either. The ATF, being unelected civil servants, shouldn't be making any kind of decision or regulations that make law.

 

[pdsmith505]

What? They had no issues shutting down the Akins Accelerator.

Man, the ATF just continues to baffle and bemuse me at every step.

The Akins device used a spring to push the gun (and the trigger) back into your finger. Consequently, the initial trigger pull set in action a series of events that didn't require another, deliberate, pull of the trigger.

Machine gun.

The forward force with the bump stock is provided by the user, and represents a deliberate action of the trigger.

Not machine gun.

Nothing baffling about it.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Guys the bumpster stocks aren't the problem.

It sickens and infuriates me to see some fuddly people say they are.

 

[armoredman]

No, the murderer was the problem.

 

[rfwobbly]

I believe all our Congressmen have now moved on to drafting legislation to ban forest fires, floods, and hurricanes.

 

[grampajack]

I believe all our Congressmen have now moved on to drafting legislation to ban forest fires, floods, and hurricanes.

Maybe they should ban the common cold while they're at it.

 

[rfwobbly]

Maybe they should ban the common cold while they're at it.

Maxine Waters is already working on that one right now !

 

[2ifbyC]

Yahoo news (malapropism) has a barrage of gun control blogs (fake new genre) that continue their incessant and insipient attacks on the RKBA. Bump stocks was merely an ember for the antis to fan for more gun control laws. The fight will never end.

 

[Rshooter]

It seems that there are at least two bills in the senate to outlaw the bump stock. As said earlier they will most likely never see the light of day. Hillary proved that going after guns is a non winner.