News of the shooting was everywhere, but accounts I read didn't get around to noting how the shooter was stopped. Is it just me, or does news travel at different speeds depending upon desired effect? Link to CNN story here: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/18/us/el-paso-texas-mall-shooting-suspect-shot-civilian/index.html
El Paso mall shooter stopped by LTC guy
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Lennyjoe
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If anyone other than LE stops a mass shooter, it’s usually buried in the news as it doesn’t fit the MSM narrative.
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It isn't you, but the claimed impact probably is. Different news will always travel at different speeds, and that assumes it started from the same point at the same time.
Y'all want to blame the news and "the narrative" but at the same time, do you know when the cops let it be known the shooter was shot by a LTC? Let's see, the shooting was Wednesday. The police made the announcement on Friday evening. The story came out at 1:41 am Saturday morning. So yeah, the information traveled more slowly, but mostly BY THE POLICE!
From the CNN article, it states when they got the information.
"...El Paso Police said in a statement Friday night."
Was there a delay? Sure, a few hours before it came out on CNN. The El Paso Times had it out by 7:51 pm on Friday night, more than 2 days after the shooting. If you want the latest on a local story, going to the local media would be the way to go. Again, they didn't get this until Friday with CNN. https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/n...ll-shooter-as-suspect-fled-scene/69917660007/
I am sorry to learn that the PD withheld that info, but also wonder why the media had no other sources such as interviews with witnesses, etc. I thought the story tiptoed around what struck me as gang activity, but of course the primary screed always seems to be gun violence.
Double Naught Spy
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Why is this just on the media? Why weren't all those witnesses on their own social media posting the event or what they saw? Maybe not a lot of people saw it happen. Certainly it would appear that citizen video from the event is largely missing.
The cops screw up with information and do so time and time again, often by design (such as withholding info until they deem the most suitable time, releasing intentionally misleading info to protect investigation) and sometimes by incompetence. Remember Adam Lamza's 2nd AR15 police say they removed from the trunk of his car, yet on video we could all see that it was a pump shotgun. The POLICE called it an AR15. Folks went crazy for the "media" reporting the gun incorrectly, even though they were reporting what the police told them.
Here are the smart and knowledgeable police identifying clearly labeled GLOCK pistols as ghost guns. They were caught in the error and deleted the tweet. https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03...t-misidentifying-glock-pistols-as-ghost-guns/
With that said, just look at all the misinformation that came form the police during Uvalde and for weeks thereafter.
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What makes you think the media wants that information out there?
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I'm in the middle of Larry Correia's book; "In Defense of the Second Amendment", and as much as I have been on this topic for the last 30 some-odd years, it is the best, most direct, thorough, and concise work I ever remember reading on this.
That's my whole point. They don't investigate. They simply lap up what the PD feeds them, spin it in accordance with their consumer base and release what they want when they want. So never think that you have the facts because you read a news article or watched a news video. There is always more to the story.
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I think you are missing my point. Let me state this explicitly, there's no doubt in my mind that the media knew the mass shooting was stopped by a private citizen with a license to carry. There's even less doubt in my mind that they wilfully suppressed that fact..
We are traveling in the same direction by different means. I submitted evidence. You submitted conviction.
Old Dog
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I've lost faith in the law enforcement establishment in most major cities. I've seen so much misinformation put out, so much covering up, so much adherence to political correctness and the concept of DEI in my own departments, nothing surprises anymore. There is a political narrative being put forth.
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Sounds like a bunch of conspiracy theory stuff.
Old Dog
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No, no it is not.
I knew one of my department's PIOs very well, family friend. I know full well what type of information was vetted for release to the public. The political and social agenda is a real thing.
Trust me, I work(ed) for the government.
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I also worked for the government. In multiple careers... News might travel at different speeds but it's not some "agenda" to Manipulate the public
cjwils
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Jerry said, "The state run media...."
Really? What do you mean? Please name the state run media. The story here came from a story on CNN. Do you think that is state run?
Really? What do you mean? Please name the state run media. The story here came from a story on CNN. Do you think that is state run?
Old Dog
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I see a certain amount of naivete on display here.
Guess how slowly the facts of this story came out, and how quickly it disappeared from the news.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/po...hooter-at-washington-state-walmart/771791480/
Those that do not, or cannot allow themselves, to believe that the political culture in some states causes certain types of news coverage to be framed in a totally different sort of narrative than in others states, are not acknowledging the realities that many of us have understood for a lot of years. .
Absolutely true.
Guess how slowly the facts of this story came out, and how quickly it disappeared from the news.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/po...hooter-at-washington-state-walmart/771791480/
You're joking right?
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I notice you write "worked", i.e. past tense. How long have you been retired?
Carl N. Brown
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My take is that reporters and op-ed writers especially have been trained to be social reformers -- "advocacy journalism" -- since at least the 1960s. Sometimes they really are plotting against you.
The DoJ NIJ BJS surveys of firearms using offenders asking felons who carried or used a firearm in the crime that put them in prison "How did you acquire your gun?" are ignored by reporters. Gun control has been a progressive crusade since 1924.
grampster
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The media or at least some of the well known print reporters were spinning stuff concerning LE and criminal happenings since I was in LE in the 1960's. My department in the late 60's created a council including LE; 1960's social justice people, black and white; and some low level criminals. When the story was finally published by a large state wide print media it sounded like the police were a bunch of knuckle draggers who had to be illuminated by the "good guys". The truth was it was a mutually beneficial experience over several months and the department and the community benefited from it. Most of us, when looking at newspaper accounts of thing that went on in those days, said that if we hadn't been there we wouldn't have actually known what really happened.
Not knowing what the situation was in the OP, it wouldn't surprise me an agenda was being promoted.
Not knowing what the situation was in the OP, it wouldn't surprise me an agenda was being promoted.
Old Dog
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Wow. Just wow. I have difficulty believing that we have members of this forum who would believe this. All of the mainstream media provides "news" to manipulate the public.
I'm also having difficulty believing that someone who presumably resides in this country could make a statement such as this with a straight face. Unless someone hasn't watched the evening news since Walter Cronkite in 1966.
There is absolutely and always an agenda being promoted.
Remember in Florida several years back? When a county sheriff (Polk County?) was asked by the media why his deputies had fired more than 60 rounds (gasp!) at a felon (think he was an escaped convict/sex offender or something) like it was just oh-so-horrible that the deputies had expended so much ammo to stop this creep, and the sheriff simply responded, "It was all they had in their guns at the time" or something to that effect.
Where I am now, our bosses apologize to the public if a criminal has to get shot by law enforcement (or law-abiding citizens), while they promise to look into it and punish the officers or the citizens involved. BEFORE the facts even come out.
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I’m afraid that if you insist that 1) the actions of each and every government agency are not guided by a political agenda, and; 2) that the agenda does not manifest itself through the manipulation of information, among other actions, you simply cannot be take seriously here. Doing so would make you such a fabulist as to be unbelievable in all things.
Where you have a point, and I do hope this is what you are getting at, is that incompetence is so rife in government that 1) not everyone is aware at all times of the agenda; 2) not everyone adheres to the agenda and, it being government, they are rarely fired for lack of adherence, and; 3) incompetence, laziness, and malfeasance more often explain the reasons that things that appear to adhere to the agenda happen than the skillful, thorough, and methodical implementation of the agenda.
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Point 3 specifically. Never attribute to intentionality that which is more likely explained by incompetence. The way the original post makes it sound, is if they believe it's some kind of George Soros and the new world order plot to control the narrative for some grander design.
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Incompetence was noted early in the thread, but when the incompetence downplays the value of the armed citizen consistently, a pattern begins to become discernible. Look the other way if you will, but you are the one who invoked the Soros name and the new world order nonsense, and it doesn't refute the recurring failure of the press to recognize the benefit of the armed citizen.
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