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What have you done lately to curb gun violence?

I was just reading some propaganda from the Brady bunch about gun violence. I use the word propaganda intentionally because it obviously is, but what can we actually do to help the problem. Kids are killing kids over stupid little fights or even just because it looked cool on tv/videogame/movie. Something is seriously wrong with youth today and it is making the whole country look bad. Since they take out the aggression with a gun, it brings the entire shooting community down too.

Why do people keep trying to make guns illegal instead of finding the already illegal guns that are doing the killing? Why do they keep blaming “assault weapons”? Why do they all think hunting is a sport and not a necessity? (I’d rather I eat corn than let all the deer eat it) Why does every person who has a bad day think they need to kill someone else instead of just themselves? Why do I keep hearing how easy it is to get a gun, yet here I sit wanting to go get a few and I can’t? ($$$) Why am I a redneck racist who hates babies just because I own a couple toys/tools? Why are 11 rounds so much more deadly than 10?

I know I’m just asking rhetorical questions, or whatever, but what can the shooting community, or any other normal person, do to help? If more shooting clubs could get involved it might put a positive spin on things. It's really pretty depressing when I log onto here to read about guns and the ENTIRE FIRST PAGE is a list of shootings from the past week. It's disgusting, literally sickening. Something has to change and just new bans isn’t going to help anything.


Basically, I want to know what you're ideas are on what YOU can do to help. There is a problem and problems have solutions. What’s your idea?




Below here are some wanderings that made the above too wordy, so read on if you're bored.

Man, I must be really ticked off about this whole thing because spell check came up negative and I used words like rhetorical. I'm just upset and thinking out loud. That website posted here about the connection to racism and guns really upset me. Just the way they speak of ending violence while using extremely hateful words. That’s what it was, the Hate. Hating me because I own a gun and you don't even know me. Not ignorance or mistrust but out right Hate.

And Hate is what it all boils down to isn’t it. They know most gun owners are normal people but it doesn’t matter. They can ignore it. They just hate an object and you by association. Because you own a gun you are the enemy.

I think I saw that website shortly after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day. So much hate in the world at that time and he spoke of ending the hate. Then I see stuff like that website and a lot of other anti-gun propaganda. Just hate, hate and more hate. I guess I wasn’t raised in a hateful environment and I just don’t understand it. I just don’t hate. It might sound stupid, but it does not compute for me. Why the hate of a whole broad category of people? Maybe I am still young and too hopeful for a doomed world. I really just want people to get along. Just reading that sentence sounds stupid. I don’t approve of most of the things other people do, but I am not out trying to force them to live like me. Is the rule of live and let live so gone that we can only be as unique as everyone else? So much for being whatever you want to be when you grow up.
 
First, let me state what I believe is the obvious -- Most gun violence involves criminals shooting criminals. By no means am I advocating that it's a good thing, but I'm not losing any sleep over it either. Our social problems go WAY beyond gun violence and gutting the 2nd Amendment isn't going to solve them.

As for kids shooting kids -- firearms training in schools, expecting parents to teach their children the diff between right and wrong, and holding parents accountable for safe firearms storage are good places to start. I'm not a certified firearms instructor by any means, but I've taught several people how to shoot with a strong emphasis on safety. None of them have killed anyone yet.

As for true random violence -- that the price you pay for living in a free society. Which would you rather have, strict government control that dominates every aspect of your life and perhaps offers some degree of security? Or limited government control with the realization that some angry/psychotic/unstable folks are occasionally going to abuse that freedom and commit random acts of violence? I'll take freedom over the illusion of security any day.

p.s. There's no such thing as gun violence. People are violent, not guns.
 
What have you done lately to curb gun violence?
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I will round up as many guns as possible and bring them into a loving protected home where they will not participate in violence (no promises about fondling and/or touching though)

I think many people just don't like to be reminded there are evil people out there and that there are times where you may be forced to fight for your life. That scares them senseless because they know they don't have the ability or will to prevail. People have become lazy and spoiled and want the government to do everything and protect them like an overbearing parent.
 
I lock mine up so that don't sneak out at night and commit random acts of gun violence. Guns killing people on their own has become a HUGE problem in this country.

I never watch the movie Christine with my guns in the room. I don't want them to get any ideas.

I take them out for exercise on a regular basis because a busy gun is a happy gun. If they're getting plenty of exercise they won't be inclined to sneak out and go on killing sprees.

I painted the inside of my safe a light pastel green because studies have shown it is a very calm, soothing color. I hang cute pictures of puppies and kittens with sayings on them in the safe to make the guns happy.

I only feed them hand prepared ammo when I can, because a good diet is important to keep a gun healthy, and a healthy gun is less leikely to kill randomly for fun.

I let many othe people shoot them, because being around lots of other people helps to socialize them. The more they are around people, the less likely they will be to go out and randomly kill them.

I clean them regularly because a clean gun has better self esteem and guns with good self esteem gon't go out and randomly kill people.

That's about it. Its seems to be working. I haven't caught one of my guns trying to sneak out and randomly kill people.
 
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What have you done lately to curb gun violence?
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Okay. We have a problem with the "problem framing" here. Repeat after me: "There is no such thing as gun violence."

No, I'm not kidding. No, that's not a joke. There is no such thing as "gun" violence, or "rock" violence, or "car" violence, or "baseball bat" violence. There is violence, and there is the state of mind that results in violence.

I was just reading some propaganda from the Brady bunch about gun violence.
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Well, yes, because they are unable to honestly frame the problem either. They have a socialist objective, and disarming the population is necessary as a part of that. They have no interest in resolving violence. They want your guns. Everything else they say or write is PR to achieve that one objective.

I use the word propaganda intentionally because it obviously is, but what can we actually do to help the problem.
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Let us begin by refusing to use the problem framing employed by our enemy.

Kids are killing kids over stupid little fights or even just because it looked cool on tv/videogame/movie. Something is seriously wrong with youth today and it is making the whole country look bad.
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Yes. More on this later.

Since they take out the aggression with a gun, it brings the entire shooting community down too.
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Only if you allow our enemy to frame the problem.

Why do people keep trying to make guns illegal instead of finding the already illegal guns that are doing the killing? Why do they keep blaming “assault weapons”? [ . . . ] Why are 11 rounds so much more deadly than 10?
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Simple. It's PR. They want to disarm you.

I know I’m just asking rhetorical questions, or whatever, but what can the shooting community, or any other normal person, do to help?
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By properly framing the problem.

Something has to change and just new bans isn’t going to help anything.
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Yes, something has to change. And it isn't guns. And it isn't bans.

Basically, I want to know what you're ideas are on what YOU can do to help. There is a problem and problems have solutions. What’s your idea?
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Well, we'll get to that . . .

Man, I must be really ticked off about this whole thing because spell check came up negative and I used words like rhetorical. [ . . . ] Just the way they speak of ending violence while using extremely hateful words. That’s what it was, the Hate. Hating me because I own a gun and you don't even know me. Not ignorance or mistrust but out right Hate.

And Hate is what it all boils down to isn’t it. They know most gun owners are normal people but it doesn’t matter. They can ignore it. They just hate an object and you by association. Because you own a gun you are the enemy.
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Hate and fear are close relatives. Remember, these people are an arm of a group that wants to control us. "Gun" control isn't about guns; it's about control.

I think I saw that website shortly after Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day. So much hate in the world at that time and he spoke of ending the hate. Then I see stuff like that website and a lot of other anti-gun propaganda. Just hate, hate and more hate.
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They don't hate. They want your peers to fear and hate you. That way they get the support they need to disarm you.

I guess I wasn’t raised in a hateful environment and I just don’t understand it. I just don’t hate.
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What the heck's wrong with you? Don't you realize there's someone you must enslave? Someone you must control? The secret is that YOU don't have to hate your objective, all you have to do is indoctrinate others so that THEY do the hating for you.

It might sound stupid, but it does not compute for me. Why the hate of a whole broad category of people? Maybe I am still young and too hopeful for a doomed world. I really just want people to get along. Just reading that sentence sounds stupid. I don’t approve of most of the things other people do, but I am not out trying to force them to live like me. Is the rule of live and let live so gone that we can only be as unique as everyone else? So much for being whatever you want to be when you grow up.
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Your problem is you don't want to control people. Get a grip. Figure out who should be your slaves and get busy with that.

Socialism.

Here's the problem: a group of people whose religion is socialism want to force their religion on everyone. In order to do this, they have to control how people think. Free speech gets in the way. They have to negate that. They're making pretty good progress, what with having control of the schools and all.

However, part of the socialist "planning" involves the forceful confiscation of wealth from people who, foolishly, are always so reluctant to share what they have with those who are more deserving.

Forceful confiscation requires, uh, force. Which can get pretty messy if the folks who have the "wealth" (a car or two, a house, maybe a pool, and a TV or three) decide they don't want their "wealth" confiscated, and decide to meet force with force. They're such bad sports.

Well, in that case, the only possible answer to to disarm them.

To do that means an aggressive campaign (with lots of funding . . .) and big time indoctrination, and tons of misdirection.

Get people to focus on lots of red-herring issues, blame the guns, and get support for "gun" control.

And there you have it.

Where to start?

Now, you see? That's the problem. The answer is political and social activism. We have to regain control of the schools, and that's a political objective. We have to shore up free speech and freedom of arms, and that's a political objective. And we have to purge the government of the socialists, and that's obviously a political objective.

Not party politics, you understand. Not Joe Candidate politics.

It's the politics of fixing your local school board, your city government, and your county and state governments. It's the politics of discovering what the actual victims of this process will even listen to, and using that to educate them.

So, without going on for several more pages, there's your answer.

And we have a forum for that here.

Activism.

Good luck.
 
Well, I have a clean criminal record, a strong sense of right and wrong, as well as compassion for other people. I also keep guns locked up in safes.

So, I think the best thing I can do is put as many of those violent guns as possible into my safes, so I can keep an eye on them and they won't commit any more crimes.
 
damn straight! let me ask you a question, why do elementary schools spend a week teaching kids how to use birth control, hell when i was in school i never heard anything about using a saftey! and for the record im only 17, and i shoot daily. i guess that some people are arfaid of firearms because, either they are not a peace with god or they are "Jealous" because we as individuals are more capable of protecting ourselves than they are. watch the news. notice how many armed bodygaurds and secret service members sourround politicians, what in the hell makes them think that they can suround themselves with well-armed bodygaurds and military troops, when a common citized (or in the worst case a "subject") shouldnt be allowed to one any type of firearm. i'll tell you why they sourround themselves with bodygaurds: because apparently they piss a large ammount of people off on a daily basis. WE put them in power, WE elected them, WE gave them the job, and WE can shure as hell take that away from them.

be afraid Hillary Clinton, be very afraid (just for the record im not going to try and kill a politician! just covering my A**, we all remember what happened to that little girl for writing bad things about bush on her MySpace page)
 
I gifted my daugter ( who has a ccw ) a kahr pm9. this should serve to solve both " gun violence" ( since she is not prone to shooting folks who dont need it bad ) , and giving a dreaded handgun a home with a person who is thourally both brady checked , and trained in the use of a firearm . Now if they can just get over the hump of the fact that here in colorado , on her campus , she can legally ccw . We are all good . I dont extend an indentation to folk like mr HO , so much as i do a warning , My daughter will not kneel to be shot . Rampage if you must , dont in Colorado, only part of our higher learning campus are gun free , and and that none under color of law .
 
the only thing left for me to say is: if someone, be it the government or a person comes into my house and tries to take away my weapons without my permission, their will be gunfire, and lots of it, and i am an excellent marksman.
 
I'm going to be brutally blunt on this point.

Has anyone every considered the cause of "gun violence?"

It is Hate, Anger, Greed, and a mulitude of other negative emotions.

Those have been part of the human condition ... well, since humanity began.

When folks like the Brady's speak of ending gun violence, they are not speaking about ending the causes, only the tools. They feel that making EVERYONE supposedly helpless, no one will act on negative emotions.

News flash.... those emotions are PART of the human condition, and have been acted upon FAR longer than firearms have existed. Without guns, evil people will find another way.

If the Bradys and other groups were REALLY serious about ending gun violence, they would be looking at the societal causes of violence and seeking ways to teach ethics, morality, and self-control.

What have I done to end gun violence? Nothing. The violence is part of the human condition, and ending humanity is the only way violence will end. With all its faults, I'd prefer that we all remain existing.


-- John
 
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Good point ArmedBear... I had considered that, but figured it went beyond the scope of this. It is relevant, nonetheless.


-- John
 
I suppose if there were no guns, no knives, no clubs or anything manufactured that was capable of being used as a weapon, we would still have rock violence.
 
Though I haven't heard it so much recently, for so many years, I heard that the root causes of crime were A) Being poor; B) Being unemployed.
But think about that for a minute. If that were true, then the years between 1928 and our beginning to get involved in WWII should have been unquestionbly the most lawless and bloody years in this country's history. But it just ain't so! 25% unemployment. An even greater percent if you factor in underemployment.
I'm certainly not wise enough to know the answer(s). Some that I THINK might be contributing factors include (and I hope I'm not being over simplistic) .
Lack of a common societal yardstick measuring right and wrong, the Bible or the 10 commandments.
Television. Not so much the programming, but just the fact that most people get their information and entertainment via television... something you can do without ever having to interact with your neighbors. It insulates us from our neighbors because it's so easy. Although I love it, I might have to include the internet too. When we're not talking to the folks next door, we can't tell them what their kids are doing, and they won't be telling us about ours.
Though I have no specifics, I know that our public schools are a part of this. A couple of years ago, I helped my Mom and Gram clear out my Great Grandmother's house. While going through some of her stuff, I found a small box of textbooks dating from her 6th grade (1897). It's probably normal for us, as a society, to think that we're so much more advanced than the generations that preceeded us... and in some ways, we probably are. But I would unquestionably have failed her classes. Her math, geography, English, and "Earth Sciences" requirements were waaay beyond what was expected of me!
That's all I have for now. Perhaps even a bit off topic. Those of you here can no doubt populate this list admirably. You folks regularly wow me.
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The first thing to remember is that "gun control" is not about the gun. It is about control. Those who support it want the ability to control most if not all aspects of your life. They are afraid that you have a way of resisting them, so they lump gun owners in with criminals. The only thing I have trouble with is why are they more lenient toward the real criminals than the law abiding gun owner who defends his life or the lives of his family from the real criminal? Is it because they know they can't control the real criminals but believe they can control those who abide by their laws?
 
What have you done lately to curb gun violence?

Well, given Putin's statement today acknowledging a new Cold War, I have moved my AK-47 from the safe where it had resided with my AR-15. Over the last couple months I have heard what sounded like skirmishes and metal clanking coming from the inside of my safe. Upon checking, either the AK or AR would be at an odd angle or even tipped over. I feel that keeping them in separate locations would be for the best, as I do not want to contribute to any possible 'gun violence' by keeping them together.
 
Upon checking, either the AK or AR would be at an odd angle or even tipped over. I feel that keeping them in separate locations would be for the best, as I do not want to contribute to any possible 'gun violence' by keeping them together.
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You should sit them both down and tell them the cold war is over!
 
too true, it is sad that people like the brady's try their darndest to take away out god-given rights, but then again we are a self-aware species, and no matter who you are, what you do, or how many people you help, some one, some where will have something negative to say about it, and they will try to stop you any way possible...
 
lets all think why we own firearms,
i own them because shooting and working on firearms is my main hobby
it is something i have enjoyed for almost all my life
i use them to hunt and provide food for my family
i use them for recreation
i use them, if necessary to protect myself and those i care about, from dangerous animals, or dangerous people
but most importantly i own them because it is my right as a citizen and a soldier...
 
This week I rescued 3 lost wandering guns and brought them home to my extended family so they will not fall under the influence of any street hoods and cause trouble...
 
I like the answers regarding locking guns up in a safe so they can't get out on their own and kill. :)

On a more serious note, that is something that the average gun owner can do to actually make it a little more difficult for criminals to get guns. They say that most guns used in crime are stolen. I had several guns stolen from me years ago and it bothers me to this day, not so much the monetary loss as the thought of what some lowlife might be using them for.

No, I don't think that government should mandate locked storage, but with rights come responsibilities. Most of mine are locked up. I know, crooks will always be able to get guns one way or another, but they won't have mine.:fire:
 
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