Engaging an anti- had good result

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FriedRice

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I know a lot of people believe anti-s are always that way. Some are. I have several in my life. I had an event with one today that reminded me that continuing to engage in discussion with them and demonstrate responsible, thoughtful behavior around firearms and safety can pay off.

This woman was seriously anti-. She previously said that the actual gun I carried would change me in a way that would make me a violent person. That was many months ago. I've continued some contact with her and we do talk about my training, safety measures I take, etc. Today she called me in a panic because a buck was shot on one of her properties by a construction worker, doing some work as part of the crew. She was traumatized because to her it felt like murdering a guardian spirit of sorts, but didn't want to overreact, so called me up to be the voice of the "responsible firearms owner." Through her hysteria, I deciphered the story that a buck had been hanging around. This was in thickly wooded coastal Pacific NW, and her property has the feel of being an extension of the forest, even though it's residential. She had posted no hunting signs and talked with the foreman about her no shooting wildlife (except for safety) on her property feelings. Despite that, a guy saw the buck today, grabbed his gun (unknown type of rifle) and shot the buck through the shoulder, killing it quickly. The other workers freaked out, as did neighbors who heard the shot. State troopers came in and arrested him, confiscated his firearm. She spoke with me via cell on the way to the property. She asked me why someone would do that. I'm not a hunter but I've talked with a few. I said, he's probably a hunter and got excited. You need long guns out that way to defend yourself. Not an excuse for his behavior but sometimes stuff happens and they guy probably feels really awful. Over the course of talking for about an hour, she went from hysterical to calm.

She just called me back. She met the man, who was incredibly remorseful, admitted he just got excited and made a stupid mistake, forgetting where he was and he would never do anything like that again. State is pressing charges for various things, one of which is a felony, I don't know the specifics. She talked with him about the gun and he shared that it was passed down from his grandfather. She got that hunting was part of his lineage, this wasn't about violence. In the end, she decided not to stack any further charges and plans to go to court to testify on his behalf to plea down that felony. She wants him to be able to keep his firearms, even though she's an "anti-." Maybe she's not anymore, she's not sure. Had I not gone out of my way to keep engaging with her, much would be lost for this man who made a stupid mistake. She even pled with his boss not to fire him because he has a family to feed. Thanks to a mod on the board for helping me wade through her hysteria and figure out what would be happening.

I don't mean to justify the guy's actions, or say that all anti-s can change. This one did. She "got" it. She'd never understood hunting culture, the family, the history, the importance of RKBA for him. Now she does.

I remain steadfast in my opinion that if we just wall ourselves off into groups that believe the same things, we will never change. Sometimes it's true, but not always. And I'm not giving up.
 
She "got" it. She'd never understood hunting culture, the family, the history, the importance of RKBA for him. Now she does.

IMO, she doesn't "get" anything, but is merely running on emotion instead of logic, which is typical of "anti's".

ANY hunter worth the title, KNOWS when AND where they can LAWFULLY harvest game, and residential work sites is generally NOT one of those places.

Based on the information given, this individual is a POACHER and NOT a hunter, and should very well suffer the full consequences of the law. His actions could have endangered lives, and makes life harder for legitimate hunters.

Seems to me, this gal succumbed to the emotional pleadings of this poacher, as opposed to having gained any appreciation for our 2nd amendment, or firearms in general.
 
IMO, she doesn't "get" anything, but is merely running on emotion instead of logic, which is typical of "anti's".

ANY hunter worth the title, KNOWS when AND where they can LAWFULLY harvest game, and residential work sites is generally NOT one of those places.

Based on the information given, this individual is a POACHER and NOT a hunter, and should very well suffer the full consequences of the law. His actions could have endangered lives, and makes life harder for legitimate hunters.

Seems to me, this gal succumbed to the emotional pleadings of this poacher, as opposed to having gained any appreciation for our 2nd amendment, or firearms in general.
I mused on that as well. Knowing the buck had shown up before was suspicious. But he did it right in front of his coworkers and they immediately called her. The trooper who probably deals with poachers quite a bit this time of year said he didn't think this guy was one and he was really feeling awful about what he did.

Could be he was a poacher. However, she walked away with an understanding that at least to some people, RKBA is an intensely personal and serious matter. She had no appreciation for that at all before. She equated guns with violence, as many anti-s do. SHE changed as a result of this experience, manipulated or not.
 
I'm happy for your friend. I think the most important part of the equation was y'alls personal connection, that let her see you as more than the "rabid gun owner" and you see her as more than the "evil anti". Unfortunately, a lot of converations with antis lack this. Good for you though, you done us all proud:D.

By the way, many food banks will happily take venison and other game. I'm sure the state took possesion of the deer, but maybe your friend could ask that it be donated to one, it might go a ways to helping her feel better about the deer being killed on her property.
 
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A good friend of mine, a girl, in high school was very anti-gun. I convinced her to come with me and another friend to try shooting. She ended up liking shooting clays so much she asked her dad for a gun. He gave her one of his and she shot clays with us for years. We are still great friends, many years later, and just this year she got interested in handguns. She goes to the range with me about once a month and now has a nice handgun of her own also. Sometimes people are anti-gun out of ignorance, not stupidity. She was ignorant of guns, and needed to be educated.
 
I'm happy for your friend. I think the most important part of the equation was y'alls personal connection, that let her see you as more than the "rabid gun owner" and you see her as more than the "evil anti". Unfortunately, a lot of converations with antis lack this. Good for you though, you done us all proud:D.

By the way, many food banks will happily take venison and other game. I'm sure the state took possesion of the deer, but maybe your friend could ask that it be donated to one, it might go a ways to helping her feel better about the deer being killed on her property.
Already done. They left her with the antlers and the heart, cut up the rest and gave it to the local Native American tribe who really needed it. That made her feel much better. She felt like she was able to honor the animal and that it died for sustenance in a quick way. Thank god it was a good, clean shot.
 
Well-done.

The shooter is very lucky that this woman did not get really hysterical and avoid any discussions with you.

The guy owes you quite a bit, or does he realize it?
 
No word on the guy. I'm sure the ringing in his ears will remind him for awhile what he has done and how close he came to a very bad outcome. I had almost disengaged with this woman a few months back because she was so anti-. But, I didn't. And I'm glad.
 
Wow! What a story. Maybe you should invite her to go shooting so she can be more informed as to what firearms are about.
After examining her strong feelings about guns, she admitted that she's not afraid I'M going to go around shooting people, but that she might. She feels this inner violence. That's not someone I will take to the range.
 
Update

For all of you that believe that engaging in anti-s is futile, I have an update for you. My sweet, tiny, "move towards peace" Buddhist office partner has asked me to take her to the range. This is a woman who was very upset when she I shared with her that I would be carrying concealed. She wants to believe that I'll never need a gun. However, the quality of our friendship is such that we can respect each others differences while still listening and evaluating our own viewpoints. She has helped me change and I have apparently helped her change. She had a semi-violent encounter with a neighbor and is now living alone in her home, feeling vulnerable. She started taking Krav Maga classes several weeks ago and after taking several hits from the guys, she's quickly understanding "disparity of force." I have not taken her to the range, and will not until she is calm. I wish for her to have a good experience. I don't wish to take her there out of terror. However, I will take her shooting soon.

I've probably said this before but it's worth saying it again:

If we all stay in our little groups where we talk about what we have in common and call "those other people" crazy, naive, whatever....we will never grow and change as a society. As a result of my experiences in gun culture in the last 9 months, I have had substantial changes in the way I think. And it works both ways.
 
called me up to be the voice of the "responsible firearms owner."

Once you got to that point I already knew you had done a good job. People (gun owners, "anti's", everybody) give lots of consideration to someone who comes across as reasonable and informed. If you are perceived as a fringe element your opinion will be dismissed.

Keep up the good work, Griz
 
I have not taken her to the range, and will not until she is calm.

I know a guy like this, and he's already a firearm owner. He has calmed down since I've known him, but I just wanted to say thanks on being responsible enough to wait until she can control her emotions BEFORE she gets a firearm of her own. As for the guy, I'd say he owes you a beer if he can buy one anytime soon! Good story and good job.
 
Interesting story. There seem to be some subtle undertones present that are not really related to the guy shooting the buck; the irrational fear of violence.
 
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Sorry I didn't make this clear...original post was about one friend. The update was about another friend entirely. Most of my friends are indifferent or anti-s.
 
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