[England] Govt consultation goes out on ending silencer registration

[Mk VII]

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/firearms-licensing-sound-moderators

This has been kicked round here for some time, and the likelihood is that it will go ahead; the same model silencer for a .22 is already sold free of controls for pellet guns anyway.
We see quite a few people here with silencers already, mostly for deer/rabbit control, though I see them used on the ranges as well.

 

[Speedo66]

Very logical conclusion, “Sound moderators are not dangerous as firearms, and removing them from firearms licensing controls does not have any implications for public safety.”

If only our law making dingbats could see the light and reach the same conclusion.

 

[GRIZ22]

All of which is fine but it's quite difficult to be able to own a firearm in the UK. Easy to get a silencer but hard to get a firearm to put it on.

 

[CapnMac]

If only our law making dingbats could see the light and reach the same conclusion.

Well, in 1934 the Statists were worried that the "poors" would take up poaching on "their national parks" to feed themselves.

That, and their proposed handgun (to include everything that could be cut down to hand gun size) ban had been slapped out of their hands, so they needed "something" to justify all the legislative effort & political capital expended in the fight.
SO, "sound moderators" were branded "crime tools" and banned.

 

[Littlef]

I see no need to have silencers registered, but this is one of those, I’ll believe it when I see it, situations. There’s enough push to expand gun control laws, that I don’t see a law passing to eliminate the registration of silencers. lots Of stuff is discussed in congress, but it doesn’t mean there’s enough traction for it to be passed, or signed into law if it passed the legislature.

i just caught This is in England, so my comment was referring to the us.

 

[luv2safari]

Well, in 1934 the Statists were worried that the "poors" would take up poaching on "their national parks" to feed themselves.

That, and their proposed handgun (to include everything that could be cut down to hand gun size) ban had been slapped out of their hands, so they needed "something" to justify all the legislative effort & political capital expended in the fight.
SO, "sound moderators" were branded "crime tools" and banned.

Too much film noir indoctrination over the years. So many of the gumshoe films had bad guy murderers using "silencers" back in the 30's, 40's and 50's, and it carried on into TV shows.

 

[natman]

It's a difference in perception. In the UK, they're "moderators", and are seen as a courtesy to your neighbors. In the US they're "silencers" and are seen as assassin's tools.

If OSHA got involved, they'd be required in the US.

 

[KristopheCraig]

In the UK people are generally more concerned about guns and anything related to them, then in the US.

 

[12Bravo20]

It's funny how we are required to have moderators/mufflers on our vehicles but have to jump through hopes and pay a $200 tax if we want one for our firearms.

 

[CapnMac]

Too much film noir indoctrination over the years.

Not so much at the time of the passing of the NFA. By 1933, attendance was down in movie theaters, due to the Depression (this is what gave rise to the "double feature, actually).
They became something depicted as "used by criminals" after the law was in place, not before. And, it became a "thing" in much the way of the notion that all gangsters had (or preferred) a Tommy Gun. Happened more in fiction than in real life. And most of the fiction occurred after 1934.

 

[luv2safari]

Not so much at the time of the passing of the NFA. By 1933, attendance was down in movie theaters, due to the Depression (this is what gave rise to the "double feature, actually).
They became something depicted as "used by criminals" after the law was in place, not before. And, it became a "thing" in much the way of the notion that all gangsters had (or preferred) a Tommy Gun. Happened more in fiction than in real life. And most of the fiction occurred after 1934.

The 40's and 50's film noir gangster movie craze indoctrinated the public plenty, and now The Hollyweird left and MSM are crazy. OMG! ...a Silencer is as bad as the AR 15 "machine guns", maybe worse. European countries and Englend, where things are pretty congested, look at them as anti-noise pollution and welcome their use.

 

[Mr Creosote]

All of which is fine but it's quite difficult to be able to own a firearm in the UK. Easy to get a silencer but hard to get a firearm to put it on.

My apologies for repeating something I have said elsewhere, but it really isn't that hard to own a firearm in the UK, Sure, the variety of firearms you can own won't be as extensive as the US and frankly you'll be over-charged but it's not as though firearm ownership is restricted to close relations of The King - half a million people in the UK have firearms certificates and, for the avoidance of doubt, it's not one been firearm. Moderators/silencers/anti-loudeners (what ever you want to call them) are actually pretty common here.

 

[GRIZ22]

My apologies for repeating something I have said elsewhere, but it really isn't that hard to own a firearm in the UK, Sure, the variety of firearms you can own won't be as extensive as the US and frankly you'll be over-charged but it's not as though firearm ownership is restricted to close relations of The King - half a million people in the UK have firearms certificates and, for the avoidance of doubt, it's not one been firearm. Moderators/silencers/anti-loudeners (what ever you want to call them) are actually pretty common here.

US has about 120 firearms per 100 population. UK has about 4.6 per 100. For whatever reason there are much fewer firearms in the UK than US.

 

[armabill]

Sound suppressors.

 

[GRIZ22]

Sound suppressors.

US1482805A - Silencer for guns - Google Patents

Called silencer by inventor.

 

[Mk VII]

it really is that hard to own a firearm in the UK, and easy to lose ownership of it.

it really isn't that hard to own a firearm in the UK