Enough Air Rifle?

[SW1911PD]

Prefer .22 air rifle, or .22LR

I used to shoot rabbits with a Beeman .22 carbine (break action). That rifle was at the top limit for allowable power in England, I think it was just under 12 footpounds (?). It worked fine up to a few tens of feet, but I replaced it with a .22LR which worked a whole lot better.

I also have a .177 CO2 pistol, supposedly 430 fps. It will kill rats at point blank range (i.e. in a trap) when the CO2 bottle is new, but forget about it at any range or if the bottle isn't new. Pellets then just bounce off the critters. Seems to me that you need to get somewhere up to 1,000 fps to be serious.

 

[razorburn]

Beeman doesn't make guns, they just import.

 

[bigcim]

really then I wonder who made mine it says beeman on the side; no other names

 

[razorburn]

They relabel them. Guns like the R1, R9, HW77/97 are made by Weihrauch. The kodiak is the Webley Patriot, match guns are relabeled Feinwerkbau guns, etc. What model do you have? If you bought from walmart or cabelas or the like, it's probably gs1000 or something like that?

 

[bigcim]

beeman 1100 air rifle with scope

 

[razorburn]

What's sold at sporting stores as the 1100 is actually the ss1000 as a package. It's made in China, a newer and less expensive version of the gs1000, which were made by Norica in Spain.

Edit- tragically enough, during the course of my research, I found that the RWS 94 air rifle I previously had doubled in value and is now a bit of a collectors item. I sold it for $150 scoped.

 

[bigcim]

the box says 1100 but the upc says 1053 is this a decent one I paid 125 at walmart

 

[razorburn]

It's about on par with the rest of the chinese air rifles. Not of the quality as the much more expensive, German made Weihrauch guns, but whether it's good or not is up to you. Do you like it? The QC on these are a bit mixed. You can get a very nice one, or a poorer one. $125 is a good price though.

 

[bigcim]

its mostly for cans and critters

 

[NORTEXED]

I bought my son a Daisy/Winchester 1000 Powershot for Christmas, and it has amazed me. It was like 99.95 with a decent 3/9X scope. That gun blows holes through 3/4" plywood like it's not there (don't ask how I found this out ). The gun seems adequately accurate out to 100', and like I said, the power amazes me. The HV pellets I think you were talking about are actually Zinc or something and while lighter and faster at the muzzle, don't carry velocity as well. We bought him 1 tin of those, and they shoot low at 125-150' out.

 

[bigcim]

I still need to try 3/4 but mine goes through 1/2 ply

 

[razorburn]

I bought my son a Daisy/Winchester 1000 Powershot for Christmas, and it has amazed me. It was like 99.95 with a decent 3/9X scope. That gun blows holes through 3/4" plywood like it's not there (don't ask how I found this out ). The gun seems adequately accurate out to 100', and like I said, the power amazes me.

Did smoke come out the barrel or breech, or do you smell burning afterwards? The gun sounds like it may be dieseling, and this is damaging and dangerous to the gun. It's probably stopped by now if you've been shooting often since Christmas.

 

[280PLUS]

What's "dieseling"?

 

[lee n. field]

What's "dieseling"?

As air is compressed it heats up. Dieseling is what it's called when the compression heating caused by the moving piston in a spring piston rifle ignites residual oils in the piston chamber.

A little bit's OK. It's normal. But don't go squirting anything in there attempting to enhance performance.

 

[280PLUS]

Thanks lee,

Wow, who woulda thought. Does it happen while charging or while firing? In other words, the gun doesn't spontaneously fire while your pumping it up, does it?

 

[lee n. field]

It happens when the air is suddenly compressed --> It happens when firing a spring piston air gun. It does not happen when you cock a spring piston gun.

I does not happen at all with a gun you "pump up" (a multi pump pneumatic like unto the Sheridan Blue Streak).

 

[Hot brass]

280, as you have discovered airguns are a hoot. Some of the pricetags will cause the hair on your neck to stand. If one has the money why not?

I have guns (air) that range from $150.00 on up to $800.00 including scope.
Don`t go for the 1000fps crap. Pellets become unstable a supersonic speeds. If you are looking and want to have a blast, and a good gun, then you can order an RWS mod. 34 .177 from Midsouth. It is a nice gun. It will shoot about 900fps with a decent pellet. I like Crossman Premiers. 7.9gr to be exact. I have not found a gun that did not like the Premiers. A decent scope for this gun will cost you in the neighborhood of $150.00 plus mount. Learn to shoot the gun and kills at 35- 50 yards are possible. Its shotplacement.
In this price range is the RWS mod. 94, another gun that requires a good scope. Beeman mahes a pellet called the Crow Magnum. In .177 it will ruin a head shot pests day. I like to deal with Steve at Pomona Air.


http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000622166160

Any questions PM me.

 

[280PLUS]

Thanks for the replies. It turns out that, having nailed one squirrel and missed a couple others they seem to have linked the sound of the gun to bad things because a couple days ago I took a long shot (50 yds?) at one just for ha ha's knowing it would fall short and as soon as the gun went pop the squirrel was scrambling for cover and THEN I saw/heard the pellet hit the ground in front of where it was. I haven't seen a squirrel anywhere around since and I've been looking. If they start sticking their little heads up around here again I'll look into one of those more better air rifles. I had an old Simmons scope that I mounted to this one and I'm shooting much better groups with it, although I do still see the occasional flyer. For the most part it WILL put them in the same hole fairly consistently at ~20 feet anyways. Thanks for the tip on the 1000 fps vs 900, good to know.

 

[MP-44]

I love airguns!!!!

FX SuperSwift, PCP, .177cal., 8 shot mag with biathlon cocking, 3 power settings. Can throw a heavy ( 10.2gr ) .177cal pellet @ ( a chrony'd ) 730, 895 & 1000 fps. It can consistently hit tacks @ 40yds and 3/4" dot stickers @ 60yds. Weighs but 5.5lbs without scope ( Weaver R7 2.5-7X28 )

The perfect squirrel rifle

 

[Oldnamvet]

Don't put a normal rifle scope on a "springer" air rifle. The peculiar recoil will shake that scope apart in no time. For pump up air guns there is no problem, just the ones you cock using the barrel or a large side lever. Buy the air rifle scopes designed just for that type of recoil (and they aren't cheap either).

 

[Odd Job]

@ bigcim

I had a break-action spring air rifle with a scope and I can tell you it kept its zero. It was an old BSA. It is the same rifle I used to split pellets in two, by shooting a scalpel blade embedded edge on in a blob of putty.
Unfortunately the rifle was lost in a move from one house to another (not my fault, I was furious with my folks).

 

[Odd Job]

I agree with oldnamvet.
There is one thing worse than a spring gun though, and that is a crossbow. I have had to buy the very best air rifle scopes for my crossbow otherwise the reticles rotate

 

[NORTEXED]

Razorburn, No smoke or burnt smell I'm sure. We used to do that as kids to an old Benjamin to "Hop" it up. Used Kerosene in the air chamber between shots. Man those suckers would shoot through bothe sides of Galvenized trash cans and keep going (at least for a month or two ).

 

[280PLUS]

Nice rifle...

Some day maybe, right now they're not coming near the tree anymore so we've had a bit of a detente lately. I find it's not safe to shoot anywhere but out the window and down at the tree. I'm hearing too many of the more level shots zinging off the ground and into the trees.