woof
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Tastes great or less filling?
EOTWAWKI .22LR rifle
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mr.trooper
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what about an Uberti Baby rolling block carbine?
IndianaBoy
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If the world as we know it ends, and you are considering a 22 for survival... you should forget about lights and lasers.
Where are you going to buy your batteries? You should have a gun with robust iron sights and perhaps a scope as long as you don't depend on it.
Edit: Didn't see your solar solution. To each his own, I for some reason cannot put anything requiring batteries on a gun.
As for the guys planning on shooting on sight.....
Even in dire situations there is room for a little discretion.
Where are you going to buy your batteries? You should have a gun with robust iron sights and perhaps a scope as long as you don't depend on it.
Edit: Didn't see your solar solution. To each his own, I for some reason cannot put anything requiring batteries on a gun.
As for the guys planning on shooting on sight.....
Even in dire situations there is room for a little discretion.
IndianaBoy
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Also:
Please folks... for the love of Pete.
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Please folks... for the love of Pete.
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rbernie
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My HandiRifle combo with a 410 barrel and a 22lr barrel is my answer to the OPs question. It doesn't fold completely without making the forearm quickly removable, but that's not too hard to modify.
woof
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Indiana, No-one advocated shooting on sight. it was merely observed that with the end of the world, someone approaching homes in the country, unannounced, at night with a gun is going to get shot. A true fact.
Vern Humphrey
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The problem is, a shooting takes two people -- a shooter and a shootee. The shootee cannot control what the shooter does.
If you're in the wrong place at the wrong time by someone else's reckoning, you can get shot. That's why we wear orange during hunting season, you know.
Springfield Armory M6 Scout
.22lr over .410
I feel confident I can take light deer at up to 50 yards using 3 pellet OOO Buck. #4 Birdshot for fowl hunting. 22 rimfire (I've even shot 22 BB cap) for all small game.
The action is crude but effective, and extremely robust.
BTW
LiPo (Lithium Ion Polymer) batteries explode/burst into flames if mis-charged. And good luck finding a Lithium-Ion/LiPo replacement for AA batteries.
.22lr over .410
I feel confident I can take light deer at up to 50 yards using 3 pellet OOO Buck. #4 Birdshot for fowl hunting. 22 rimfire (I've even shot 22 BB cap) for all small game.
The action is crude but effective, and extremely robust.
BTW
LiPo (Lithium Ion Polymer) batteries explode/burst into flames if mis-charged. And good luck finding a Lithium-Ion/LiPo replacement for AA batteries.
I've been using Li-ion batteries for years with no explosions, you just have to know what you are doing. And yes I have the AA size version. More info than you can shake a stick at on candlepowerforums.com. I'll never use alkalines in a light again.
IndianaBoy
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Approaching homes is one thing. Walking down the road at night is quite another.
Vern Humphrey
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As I said before, a shooting requires two people, a shooter and a shootee. The shootee cannot control the shooter.
Now, I know you wouldn't shoot a fellow hunter during deer season, right? But you wear an orange vest, right? That vest isn't to keep you from shooting someone else, it's to keep someone else from shooting you.
By the same token, not walking down a country road in the dark during a period of unrest would be a strategy aimed at keeping someone else from shooting you.
woof
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In an end of the world scenario, when everyone alive is wondering whether and how they will survive, walking down the road means something very different that it does today. But I am all for anyone who wants to do it then go right ahead.
winston smith
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I thought of the Marlin takedown or Browning .22 for my backpack. But... walking around in a TEOTWAWKI world, I might just get shot on sight carrying a rifle at any time. And in parts, in my backpack, what good does it do me if I meet one of my fellow posters?
So I have a stainless Ruger 22-45 in a conceled flap reachable from the bottom of my backpack. Why, I'll just whip it out and win a gunfight against one or more paramilitary survivalists armed with AK 47s....Yeah.
Even after the Day of the Lord, there will still be some police and other intrusive individuals who will chalenge you and snoop in your backpack. Finding a gun, confiscation is the mildest action you can expect.
This isn't the 1930s, people are different, and toleration for a stranger "Just walking by" with a gun, will be Zero! Even unarmed, begging for a meal, you are in danger.
But speaking of that, the small game is dead or in hiding, its been a week since you ate, and you knock on a door to ask for a meal, and are refused.
What do you do with your gun? Kill the homeowner and his wife and kids, and take their food?
Or join a mob, who has the procedure down pat?
The time to get out of a city is fast passing...
So I moved to a small street with 20 other houses in the middle of orchards and small farms in a secluded valley. And bought a gun safe for my ARs.
Please don't walk by with a gun. I hate digging 6x6 holes.
So I have a stainless Ruger 22-45 in a conceled flap reachable from the bottom of my backpack. Why, I'll just whip it out and win a gunfight against one or more paramilitary survivalists armed with AK 47s....Yeah.
Even after the Day of the Lord, there will still be some police and other intrusive individuals who will chalenge you and snoop in your backpack. Finding a gun, confiscation is the mildest action you can expect.
This isn't the 1930s, people are different, and toleration for a stranger "Just walking by" with a gun, will be Zero! Even unarmed, begging for a meal, you are in danger.
But speaking of that, the small game is dead or in hiding, its been a week since you ate, and you knock on a door to ask for a meal, and are refused.
What do you do with your gun? Kill the homeowner and his wife and kids, and take their food?
Or join a mob, who has the procedure down pat?
The time to get out of a city is fast passing...
So I moved to a small street with 20 other houses in the middle of orchards and small farms in a secluded valley. And bought a gun safe for my ARs.
Please don't walk by with a gun. I hate digging 6x6 holes.
woof
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If it gets really really bad, and it would, there would be no hole digging. Why bury good meat.
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Woof
Long Pig, eh?
If things breakdown "ALL OVER" I have no doubt conditions will be even worse than we can imagine.
Long Pig, eh?
If things breakdown "ALL OVER" I have no doubt conditions will be even worse than we can imagine.
woof
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Unfortunately history is full of examples of how, when things really collapse, the thin veneer of civilization wears off quickly.
Pilot, Don't worry, in TEOTWAWKI the antis will be the first to go.
Pilot, Don't worry, in TEOTWAWKI the antis will be the first to go.
JImbothefiveth
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We are NOT advocating shooting someone on sight, but there's a good chance someone will. Remember, he's not talking nuclear war, he's talking stock market crash. I think that if he walks down a rural raod shooting at stuff, there's a good chance someone will shoot on sight. He might even shoot at or point the gun in the direction of someone's house accidently, and they might shoot in what they thought was self-defense.
Vern Humphrey
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Amen.
As I have said before, we wear orantge when hunting, not because we intend to shoot somone else, but to prevent others from shooting us by accident.
winston smith
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We are not advocating shooting someone on sight, we are just advocating canabilism.
Look, in all seriousness, there will be people so nutty as to want to kill any wanderers. Just as there will be murderious looting mobs who need to be killed.
These thought-experiment discussions are necessary mindset training so we don't either kill someone for no good reason or let ourselves get into a situation where we are the ones to get killed.
Walking home with a gun in a backpack is an Idea. We are examining how good or bad an idea it is.
Look, in all seriousness, there will be people so nutty as to want to kill any wanderers. Just as there will be murderious looting mobs who need to be killed.
These thought-experiment discussions are necessary mindset training so we don't either kill someone for no good reason or let ourselves get into a situation where we are the ones to get killed.
Walking home with a gun in a backpack is an Idea. We are examining how good or bad an idea it is.
moooose102
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a gun in the back pack in case you get into trouble isnt going to be a great scenario, if you NEED it, it is going to take way to long to get it out, loaded, and put together. plus, if you keep it together and or loaded, it will be considered a concealed weapon as it is concealed by the backpack. sounds to me like you need a ccw permit and a pistol!
expvideo
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I don't want to sound too ninja-y here, but have you considered a suppressed .22? Search "suppressed marlin" on gunbroker and you'll find an integrally suppressed Marlin Papoose rifle. The rifle breaks down into a very small package, is more reliable than an AR-7, and is very quiet. It has a rail for mounting a scope, which I would recommend a cheap NV scope (will run $500+, but it will be worth it if the SHTF) and some kind of mount adapter. The rifle would be about $700 + $200 atf tax. If you opted for a NV scope and shop around, you're looking at about $1400 total.
Now that's a lot of money to spend on a .22. It would, however, be a lot safer and and easier to hunt varmint with that combination than it would be to use a light and a laser on a louder .22. And while it does sound a little james bond and maybe over the top, I can't think of a better platform for what you've described.
Now personally, I would recommend that you either opted for a .22 pistol (Ruger MKII would be my recommendation), or think outside the box on this one. Do you really need a firearm? It seems to me that you can get the same noise level as a $900 suppressed .22 rifle(after ATF tax) out of a $100 air rifle. It will be nearly as effective on small game, and save you a little on ammo as well.
Just a couple of suggestions to throw into the mix. Not necessarily the best ideas, but a couple more to consider.
Now that's a lot of money to spend on a .22. It would, however, be a lot safer and and easier to hunt varmint with that combination than it would be to use a light and a laser on a louder .22. And while it does sound a little james bond and maybe over the top, I can't think of a better platform for what you've described.
Now personally, I would recommend that you either opted for a .22 pistol (Ruger MKII would be my recommendation), or think outside the box on this one. Do you really need a firearm? It seems to me that you can get the same noise level as a $900 suppressed .22 rifle(after ATF tax) out of a $100 air rifle. It will be nearly as effective on small game, and save you a little on ammo as well.
Just a couple of suggestions to throw into the mix. Not necessarily the best ideas, but a couple more to consider.
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