Ethnicity of FFL Holders

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Had an acquaintance of mine make the claim that 'people of color' are not the ones selling firearms (at least legally) to those 'of color.' As my educational background is in Religious Studies I learned long ago that it is fruitless to argue facts with people who hold beliefs that are not based on fact. ;) However, I've been thinking about this and wonder if there is public data regarding the ethnicity of folks holding Type 1 and Type 2 FFLs?
 
If I were a betting man, I would think that the good money was that most commercial FFL's were White and Male.


I don't know that there is any public information that could be studied to confirm my guess, however.


While I know you are simply curious about the question, it shouldn't make any difference who sells it to you. Just pass the background check, pay the cash, and don't forget to get some ammuniton on the way out. :)



-- John
 
John:

Agreed! But I'm starting to see the beginning of a meme that parallels the 'crack' and 'AIDS' meme. This one is "Whites own the gun shops and purposely supply minorities with weapons so they can kill themselves." I'm weary of that style of racism :banghead: as much as any other.
 
I hear ya Bob's Grandson.

On the flip-side, there are some FFL's that may not choose to sell to some minorities.

The best advice I can give is pay attention to attitudes and go where you are comfortable.

As for purposely supplying firearms to ethnic communities.... well, you can't win.

If you do not sell to other ethnic groups, you are a racist. If you do sell to other ethnic groups, then you are a racist.

Really, it comes down to WHO is making the accusations and the motives behind them.

For instance, if Jesse Jackson tells me I am a racist because I sell a firearm to someone of the black community, I'll take it as a compliment.


-- John
 
There is a new gun store open right here in Chinatown NYC :D:D:D

We are currently working on education and community programs to get the vast Chinese community here to get involved in Pro RKBA and constitutional issues. Most of the "antis" are new immigrants and know nothing about America's 2A.
 
Jesse Jackson
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The 1st Amendment was worded in such a way that our enemies are using it against us today. People like Reverend Jackson are using it to call anyone they dislike "racist". Leftist elitists are using it to publish vehemently hateful articles against us. Perhaps if the Founding Fathers realized how the 1st Amendment can be misused and turned against us by our enemies, they would have worded it differently.
 
wonder if there is public data regarding the ethnicity of folks holding Type 1 and Type 2 FFLs?
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I don't know whether that information is available to the public. Every FFL I've been in is white male. Pawn shops and gun shows too.
 
Because clearly its always the white mans fault, giving guns to the poor minorities so they can kill each other :uhoh:

I am tired of this bull****, any American citizen can buy a gun if they haven't committed any crimes preventing themselves from doing so.

If minorities don't want to get FFLs thats not my fault, if anything most of the people buying guns in the ghetto certainly aren't doing it legally.
 
If minorities don't want to get FFLs thats not my fault, if anything most of the people buying guns in the ghetto certainly aren't doing it legally.
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And some of the people in the ghettos are finding it extremely hard to buy guns legally to defend themselves and their families from the ones that are doing it illegally, due to the harsh legislations against gun ownership passed by those who took advantage of the fact that many people are not trying to preserve their right to buy guns legally.:)
 
But I'm starting to see the beginning of a meme that parallels the 'crack' and 'AIDS' meme. This one is "Whites own the gun shops and purposely supply minorities with weapons so they can kill themselves." I'm weary of that style of racism as much as any other.
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Can you give an example of where you see this emerging meme? It would not make any sense whatsoever.

You are talking about legal sales by gun shops directly to (not unqualified) minorities, right?
 
I don't know and what does it matter who is selling the firearms?

Rachen: You guys looking for employees? :D
 
FCFC:

This is the first time I heard it but as it was part of a larger discussion involving the election, dollars to donuts we'll see or hear this again to justify previous positions regarding gun dealers in the Chicago area.
 
I don't know whether that information is available to the public.
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I'd think not, but mainly because I dont think they would nessecarily know an FFL's ethnicity, unless they specifically tried to find out by digging into it.

Do they ask you to list it when applying for an FFL01? Pretty sure they didnt for the FFL03, not that I'm positive, or that it would nessecarilly mean they dont for the 01. Anyone with an FFL01 recall if it's on the application or anything? Seems like it would be fairly useless info to them, not that that stops .gov from getting all the info they can regardless.


That aside, I'll bet the statement is true, for the reason JWarren mentions. The vast majority FFL's are likely white males, so obviously, they would be more likely to supply the vast majority of guns to "minorities", since it's unlikely 51%+ of guns bought by "minorities" would come from, say, the 1& of dealers who are "minorities" themselves. As mentioned, I dont think its a crack/aids "destroy the dark man" kinda conspiracy, but just a fact of numbers.Not that someone like Jesse Jackson wouldn't try to make it out to be a conspiracy, if it served there purpose.
 
Thread lock coming! IIRC the USA is still 70% white. I would be willing to bet the number of FFL holders reflects this and then some.

It should change for the insured future of the shooting sports and some work to make it so but sadly shooting is seen by many as an old white mans sport.

I live in a very ethnically diverse area but most of the FFL holders are white. We do have women, Korean, a Jew, Chinese, I think a Japanese, at least one Mexican, off the top of my head. I can't think of an African-American one though.

One shop that went under in my area was owned by a Chinese and had a Russian, a El Salvadorian, and a white American man as workers!
 
Equal oppertunities you are all equal jesse You have what you wanted all this time now **** off.

I apologise but that kind of thing really narks me off.

My arguement for equal equality and m measure for it is simple, when I can be involvedin a fight in school and punch a black kid for attacking me and if caught not have it logged automatically as a racist attack as it is now.

Those who cry racism are usually the most prejudiced, what was it the head of your race equality commision said. "the race equality laws should not and will not protect the white man." sorry for the paraphrasing and vitriol I am arguing with people about equality at the moment.
 
I'd think not, but mainly because I dont think they would nessecarily know an FFL's ethnicity, unless they specifically tried to find out by digging into it.
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I'd have to check the copy of my 07 application that I have at home (I'm at work now) as I also can't remember whether or not it was on there. Everyone listed on the FFL had to submit two passport photos so ATF could figure it out that way if they really wanted to do it.
 
if there is public data regarding the ethnicity of folks holding Type 1 and Type 2 FFLs
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I think the goverment should not collect this data, since it could single one of these groups out for more inspections and so on!

Perhaps if the Founding Fathers realized how the 1st Amendment can be misused and turned against us by our enemies, they would have worded it differently.
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Even if it makes me often mad when I see how the 1A is missused, it's is perfect as it is.
Everyone can still go to court and fight what other people say.
The 1A is only there to keep the goverment form censor the people in their speach!
 
Seem clear to me...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Bubbles, the 07 application has the ethnicity question on it. Part 22 requests the information for each owner, partner, responsible person. Full name, position, SSN, address, country of citizenship, POB, DOB, Race and Ethnicity, Sex, Phone Number are the info requested (mandated).
 
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