Is FOX becoming more objective? Or are they just trying to change their liar image?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,89529,00.html
Don
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,89529,00.html
Don
Even FOX caught this lie!
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Sir Galahad
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Don, respectfully, get a life. You spend so much time railing about conservatives. If it wasn't for conservatives (whether you like them or not), you wouldn't own a SINGLE FIREARM today. And you wouldn't be on this board. You'd be on something like BasketWeaving.net or CandleSmith.org because there wouldn't be any freakin' guns to talk about!! dee-dee-dee-d-dee-dee...Earth to Don...
Wait, what was that...?
The US commander tells the press that their story was wrong, and this proves Bush lied?
Don, there weren't even any WMD claims in this story.
In other news, the antiwar folks told us ther would be tens of thousands of civilian and US casualties. Nope. That they'd use the WMD that they didn't have because Bush lies. Nope. That there'd be a huge eco-disaster. Nope. That there'd be a quagmire. Nope.
As long as we're holding prewar claims to account, Don, I'd asy your side has lost conclusively. You just haven't come to terms with it yet.
The US commander tells the press that their story was wrong, and this proves Bush lied?
Don, there weren't even any WMD claims in this story.
In other news, the antiwar folks told us ther would be tens of thousands of civilian and US casualties. Nope. That they'd use the WMD that they didn't have because Bush lies. Nope. That there'd be a huge eco-disaster. Nope. That there'd be a quagmire. Nope.
As long as we're holding prewar claims to account, Don, I'd asy your side has lost conclusively. You just haven't come to terms with it yet.
I don't think I said anything about Bush lying..... at least not based on this article. Are you reading something into it, Khornet? You think FOX NEWS is a mouthpiece for Bush?
Didn't say there were........now did I?????!!! Just found it amazing that FOX wouldn't pile on an "al-Qaeda found in Iraq" report!
Oh, I'm fine with the conservatives, Sir Galahad! I'm just not so fond of the neo-conservatives! Wasn't it reported that Dubya wouldn't let the "Assault Rifle Ban " sunset???!!!
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JMag
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Fox IS objectivity when it comes to cable news. S. Hussein WAS a WMD, ask a Kurd, view some video/stills. If they NEVER find chem/bio/nuke ridding the planet of that man was worth it, IMHO. 'Nuff said.
Actually, it is a bit of a quagmire. Forty U.S. soldiers have died since the official "end of major hostilities".
And I'm still waiting for the democratically-elected (as long as we approve) government.
Another recent development in the propganda campaign: Iraqi citizens who attack the foreigner invaders in defense of the homeland are now called "rebels". Honest. I heard this on the news. U.S. troops in Iraq were attacked by Iraqi rebels yesterday.
And speaking of quagmires, what's going on with the fine new government in Afghanistan these days?
And I'm still waiting for the democratically-elected (as long as we approve) government.
Another recent development in the propganda campaign: Iraqi citizens who attack the foreigner invaders in defense of the homeland are now called "rebels". Honest. I heard this on the news. U.S. troops in Iraq were attacked by Iraqi rebels yesterday.
And speaking of quagmires, what's going on with the fine new government in Afghanistan these days?
faustulus
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OK that is a little bit absurd. Just because they take the oppisite slant than other talking heads does not make them objective.
Liberals are not our friends. but neither are conservatives. Both want pretty much the same thing. they want you to rely on the government, they just go about it differently.
Bush senior banned weapons before Clinton had a chance and if given the new bill Bush Jr. will do the same.
The enemy of my enemy should still be our enemy.
JMag
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What's absurd about "fair and balanced" and Fox's approach of sharing BOTH sides instead of the single (read liberal) side those other guys share? It AIN'T just a jingle. How much balance/fairness do you see on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, PBS (your tax dollars at work), etc.? Hmm???
I would much rather be given both/all sides than a single/slanted one. That's what has many so agitated over FNC, you just never witnessed hearing the "other" side from the aforementioned sources before they came along. That's why they are accused of being conservative. They report, you get to decide!
I would much rather be given both/all sides than a single/slanted one. That's what has many so agitated over FNC, you just never witnessed hearing the "other" side from the aforementioned sources before they came along. That's why they are accused of being conservative. They report, you get to decide!
JMag, you'll love this article since you think FOX is so "fair and balanced"!
You get to decide!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html
Don
You get to decide!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html
Don
rrader
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Most of those ( > 20) have been accidental deaths, i.e., drowning, highway accidents, etc...
Mr. James
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Don,
C'mon, now. It's self-evident from rrader's post, he was referring to U.S. troops being killed in combat, vs. killed in unfortunate happenstance.
We tragically lose military men (and women) far too often. Traffic accidents, equipment failures, all manner of foul-ups. We don't attribute them all to our present operation in Iraq.
And yes, of course, we have Ba'athist fanatics willing to kill Americans. They must be stopped, put down, whatever. My dear SkunkApe, did we welcome Nazi partisans as "rebels" as World War Two wound down in Europe? We weren't too respectful - or tolerant - of Japanese hold-outs' God given rights to slaughter Americans, either.
That said, your larger point is well taken.
Peace
C'mon, now. It's self-evident from rrader's post, he was referring to U.S. troops being killed in combat, vs. killed in unfortunate happenstance.
We tragically lose military men (and women) far too often. Traffic accidents, equipment failures, all manner of foul-ups. We don't attribute them all to our present operation in Iraq.
And yes, of course, we have Ba'athist fanatics willing to kill Americans. They must be stopped, put down, whatever. My dear SkunkApe, did we welcome Nazi partisans as "rebels" as World War Two wound down in Europe? We weren't too respectful - or tolerant - of Japanese hold-outs' God given rights to slaughter Americans, either.
That said, your larger point is well taken.
Peace
Leatherneck
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No, not the President--conservatives, both neo- and not. Sure is a nice change.
TC
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Is Neo-Conservative how the Moscow Times (NYT), Pravda West (LAT) and the Clintoon News Network (CNN) refer to conservatives these days? Neo Con blah , blah blah.
What a load of crap. I'm getting sick and tired of all these made up liberal news outlet names that are being applied to people who don't tow the socialilst line.
Don, why don't you define Neo Con very precisely for all of us so we can be as smart as you?
While you are at it, could you please explain what Gravitas means too? Wasn't that the previous liberal concoction for something?
What a load of crap. I'm getting sick and tired of all these made up liberal news outlet names that are being applied to people who don't tow the socialilst line.
Don, why don't you define Neo Con very precisely for all of us so we can be as smart as you?
While you are at it, could you please explain what Gravitas means too? Wasn't that the previous liberal concoction for something?
faustulus
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They don't give both sides, just the conservative side. TV news is about entertainment not news.
JMag
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DonQ,
I didn't say FNC is perfect. Far from it. It just happens to present the issues better than anyone else on TV (I use many sources, not just this one)that I've found.
Libertarian thought has some nice points. Lew Rockwell is an interesting character. Has he, and his institute, the right answers on all points? Not likely. For every single point referenced using your link, one could find many more abuses by competing networks, to be sure. One has think, sort through the "fluff & buff" and make up one's own mind.
I, for one, have not honed in on WMD as the primary reason we went to war with Iraq. I am quite sure the reasons were legion. Some quite legit, some possibly not so much. Such is in every war one could postulate.
I didn't say FNC is perfect. Far from it. It just happens to present the issues better than anyone else on TV (I use many sources, not just this one)that I've found.
Libertarian thought has some nice points. Lew Rockwell is an interesting character. Has he, and his institute, the right answers on all points? Not likely. For every single point referenced using your link, one could find many more abuses by competing networks, to be sure. One has think, sort through the "fluff & buff" and make up one's own mind.
I, for one, have not honed in on WMD as the primary reason we went to war with Iraq. I am quite sure the reasons were legion. Some quite legit, some possibly not so much. Such is in every war one could postulate.
JMag
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Faust,
I am assuming by reading your post on FNC that their presentation of the news only clouds the issues for the masses. Hey, when we only had CNN it was easy for those not given to deep thought and appreciation for history, etc.
The new boy, FNC, comes in shares MORE from the right and people start chanting they are a conservative network and the voice for the Republican Party.
I don't get it! What's so wrong with FNC presenting THEIR version of news v. what CNN has blathered on about for over 20 years? Hmm???????
Actually, I cannot fathom why it took so long for a FNC to appear on the scene with the obvious slant of CNN to anyone willing to look past the headlines and the speedy delivery of breaking news.
I am assuming by reading your post on FNC that their presentation of the news only clouds the issues for the masses. Hey, when we only had CNN it was easy for those not given to deep thought and appreciation for history, etc.
The new boy, FNC, comes in shares MORE from the right and people start chanting they are a conservative network and the voice for the Republican Party.
I don't get it! What's so wrong with FNC presenting THEIR version of news v. what CNN has blathered on about for over 20 years? Hmm???????
Actually, I cannot fathom why it took so long for a FNC to appear on the scene with the obvious slant of CNN to anyone willing to look past the headlines and the speedy delivery of breaking news.
Mike Irwin
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Simple, JMag...
The only legitimate view is the liberal view.
Once there's competition that presents an alternative view, and the alternative view is more attractive than the "party line" liberal view, that's when the whining starts.
And it's amusing to behold.
The only legitimate view is the liberal view.
Once there's competition that presents an alternative view, and the alternative view is more attractive than the "party line" liberal view, that's when the whining starts.
And it's amusing to behold.
faustulus
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Nothing particularly wrong with it, I just don't consider it news. But I don't consider CNN news either. For the most part I find that print media does a better job of presenting the facts -- cavet this isn't 100 percent so keep you examples to yourself -- they tend to attribute better and do a better job of presenting the facts.
However, it is foolish to only use one source for news, the more places you look the better of an idea you can get about the situation on which they are are reporting. You still have to do your homework even in the grownup world.
JMag
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Faust,
On that last post we can agree. The NYT recent situation proved print media has its warts, too.
So true in getting your news from multiple reliable sources. I have for many years.
On that last post we can agree. The NYT recent situation proved print media has its warts, too.
So true in getting your news from multiple reliable sources. I have for many years.
spartacus2002
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Now that Art Bell is off the air, I don't know who to get my news from.
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