Centurian22
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Gym: WOW!!! Now that's what I call service!!! Wish my LGS had such an amazing policy! I would feel alot better about a purchase.
Ever find something wrong with a NIB firearm?
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chicharrones
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Yep, with three different gun manufacturers.
One I had intent on purchasing felt like someone poured grit in the innards of a revolver.
One had cosmetic issues of poorly ground frame contours where someone got happy with the grinding wheel.
Another had cosmetic issues of buggered up sight screws and mounting pins as if someone had removed the sights and put them back on. Plus, the plastic box it came in was battered internally like the gun had been banging around inside across all 50 states before it made it to its final destination.
One I had intent on purchasing felt like someone poured grit in the innards of a revolver.
One had cosmetic issues of poorly ground frame contours where someone got happy with the grinding wheel.
Another had cosmetic issues of buggered up sight screws and mounting pins as if someone had removed the sights and put them back on. Plus, the plastic box it came in was battered internally like the gun had been banging around inside across all 50 states before it made it to its final destination.
Yes, didn't find it from the pre-firing cleaning/inspection, but a Springfield Armory 1911A1 in 9mm had severe feeding problems. It actually wasn't new production, but was ten years with the former owner without a round through it. They took it back at their expense and put about $200 worth of parts and labor and made it the best shooting pistol in my inventory. Made me an SA fan for life.
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sirgilligan
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Thanks for the great information. Some of the posts are issues found at the range and share all those you want.
Those that found something before the range because they inspected the firearm or even before taking delivery, those are the ones I find most interesting in this thread.
Those that found something before the range because they inspected the firearm or even before taking delivery, those are the ones I find most interesting in this thread.
I was at a LGS and I handled a brand new Rossi 462. I noticed the ejector star was loose and could rotate. I showed the owner of the shop and he just said, "that fine, there is nothing wrong with it." I told him thank you and I'll take my business somewhere else from now on.
denton
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My profession is process improvement.
The quality we put up with in new firearms is laughably bad.
If you're supplying automotive components, you will have better than a 50 parts per million defect rate. Period.
Right now, I've got my son's Kahr back at the factory. At 12.5 yards, it shoots one foot groups, about a foot and a half low. New Savage 22 was erratic, and they replaced it with one that wouldn't feed. New Howa bolt action did not have the bolt lugs ground smooth.
With world class quality, any one of those would be a once in a generation experience for a whole small city of avid shooters.
The quality we put up with in new firearms is laughably bad.
If you're supplying automotive components, you will have better than a 50 parts per million defect rate. Period.
Right now, I've got my son's Kahr back at the factory. At 12.5 yards, it shoots one foot groups, about a foot and a half low. New Savage 22 was erratic, and they replaced it with one that wouldn't feed. New Howa bolt action did not have the bolt lugs ground smooth.
With world class quality, any one of those would be a once in a generation experience for a whole small city of avid shooters.
Yep, magazine defects on two remington 700s, cracked stock on a cz527, defective trigger on marlin xl7, floated mossberg 100 atr wasn't actually floated, huge gauge in taurus revolver riflings, faulty bolt on armalite ar, should i keep going?
Two guns.
A Taurus 444 Multi with a cocked barrel. It looked like it wasn't screwed in all the way and the front sight wasn't aligned with the rear. 2 trips back to Taurus before they fixed it, and the second time (the gunshop) got it back, I got rid of it unfired.
A Marlin 1895 variation in 45-70..wouldn'd feed from the magazine. One of the parts was broken. A week later and it was back and working.
A Taurus 444 Multi with a cocked barrel. It looked like it wasn't screwed in all the way and the front sight wasn't aligned with the rear. 2 trips back to Taurus before they fixed it, and the second time (the gunshop) got it back, I got rid of it unfired.
A Marlin 1895 variation in 45-70..wouldn'd feed from the magazine. One of the parts was broken. A week later and it was back and working.
sansone
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happens a lot, QC is dropping since manufacturers can't seem to keep up with demand lately
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sirgilligan
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By all means... if you want.
Dnaltrop
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Only one, a Taurus Tracker 9-shot .22
Out of the box it seizes up between cylinders in DA and SA, been to Taurus twice now, needs to go a third time but we're sick of sending it back.
Not even up to 200 rounds through it yet.
Out of the box it seizes up between cylinders in DA and SA, been to Taurus twice now, needs to go a third time but we're sick of sending it back.
Not even up to 200 rounds through it yet.
FROGO207
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A Heritage 32 H&R magnum revolver that shot at 11 o'clock out about a foot from point of aim. It was like that out of the box. Great price for a reasonable quality product but poor customer service. Also the cylinder pin was about 1/4 inch too short with the indent in the wrong spot that caused the cylinder to lock up. Worse still I had to actually buy the correct replacement pin, not get it replaced for free.
FWIW I own 2 .22 Rough riders that are dependable and accurate still, as they were new out of the box over 20 years ago.
FWIW I own 2 .22 Rough riders that are dependable and accurate still, as they were new out of the box over 20 years ago.
commygun
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SW 411 with a defective extractor.
Beretta 950BS slide would not go into battery.
NAA 32 Guardian mainspring would come out of it's retainer.
AMT DAO Back Up 380 would not feed
AMT DAO Back Up 45 had repeated misfires
Their respective factories fixed them all except the 45 (I fixed it after three trips to the factory).
Beretta 950BS slide would not go into battery.
NAA 32 Guardian mainspring would come out of it's retainer.
AMT DAO Back Up 380 would not feed
AMT DAO Back Up 45 had repeated misfires
Their respective factories fixed them all except the 45 (I fixed it after three trips to the factory).
Back in 2007 I ordered an 1894 Marlin 44 Cowboy limited through a local retailer and they told me it arrived with a dinged/broken/marred stock somehow.
Took a couple extra weeks to get a replacement stock ordered in and fit. Glad the shop caught it rather than me. Tells me THAT shop does more than open the box to check the serial number.
Took a couple extra weeks to get a replacement stock ordered in and fit. Glad the shop caught it rather than me. Tells me THAT shop does more than open the box to check the serial number.
Several. Let's see:
1. A NIB Taurus PT-92. After the first 3 shots, the slide jammed partially open and wouldn't move. Also, the rear sights fell off. Traded it that day for a S&W Model 19 which I still have.
2. A S&W Model 29 nickel plated. On it's first range trip, the plating around the front of the cylinder, the crane, and about half the barrel came off.
3. A TEC-9 that was the worst p.o.s. jam-o-matic I ever owned. After 3 trips to the factory, it still couldn't make it thru a full mag without jamming. Traded it for a T/C Contender .223 Rem which I still have.
4. A Marlin 336C that wouldn't load a round into the chamber. Several trips back to Marlin before they gave up and gave me a new rifle.
1. A NIB Taurus PT-92. After the first 3 shots, the slide jammed partially open and wouldn't move. Also, the rear sights fell off. Traded it that day for a S&W Model 19 which I still have.
2. A S&W Model 29 nickel plated. On it's first range trip, the plating around the front of the cylinder, the crane, and about half the barrel came off.
3. A TEC-9 that was the worst p.o.s. jam-o-matic I ever owned. After 3 trips to the factory, it still couldn't make it thru a full mag without jamming. Traded it for a T/C Contender .223 Rem which I still have.
4. A Marlin 336C that wouldn't load a round into the chamber. Several trips back to Marlin before they gave up and gave me a new rifle.
1. I bought a KelTec SUB-2000 (G17 mags) and it wouldn’t feed hardball. It wouldn’t feed anything. I live only 20 minutes from the factory and they fixed it while I waited, maybe 15 minutes. I was told they’d had a run of too-short feed ramps. It's 100% now.
2. I bought a S&W 686SSR that had an unusual “feature”. The cylinder had 6 chambers and 7 flutes. Chamber wall thickness varied from 0.10” to 0.04”. Google “S&W 686 cylinder flutes” for details and photos.
3. S&W didn’t bother to thread-lock the barrel and barrel nut on my new 327PC at the factory. The nut came loose in a match and the gun started shooting a couple of feet high and left. They can’t have expected me to keep it tight. The gun didn’t come with a (very specialized) wrench. I modified a DW wrench and fixed it myself.
2. I bought a S&W 686SSR that had an unusual “feature”. The cylinder had 6 chambers and 7 flutes. Chamber wall thickness varied from 0.10” to 0.04”. Google “S&W 686 cylinder flutes” for details and photos.
3. S&W didn’t bother to thread-lock the barrel and barrel nut on my new 327PC at the factory. The nut came loose in a match and the gun started shooting a couple of feet high and left. They can’t have expected me to keep it tight. The gun didn’t come with a (very specialized) wrench. I modified a DW wrench and fixed it myself.
Averageman
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Search Sig 556 here.
I had an ongoing issue with Sig rifles that went on for almost 8 months.
I hear great things about their pistols, but I wont give 'em another nickle.
I had an ongoing issue with Sig rifles that went on for almost 8 months.
I hear great things about their pistols, but I wont give 'em another nickle.
wyohome
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Model 36 S&W: Weak hammer strikes, sometimes would not fire. Sent back, no better. A guy at work took it apart and cleaned up the sear.
Savage "Fox" BSE: Auto ejectors never did work right. A friend borrowed it for a bird hunting season, and found that there were two springs in one ejector and none in the other...45 years after I bought it.
Kimber Longmaster Classic: Fails to eject on occasion, fails to fire sometimes, too. I might send it back, or hide it in the back of my safe so it does not piss me off whenever I see it.
Savage "Fox" BSE: Auto ejectors never did work right. A friend borrowed it for a bird hunting season, and found that there were two springs in one ejector and none in the other...45 years after I bought it.
Kimber Longmaster Classic: Fails to eject on occasion, fails to fire sometimes, too. I might send it back, or hide it in the back of my safe so it does not piss me off whenever I see it.
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COgunner said:
Ha ha that's a funny one! I would have shot it just for the fun of seeing a pistol shoot shotgun patterns!
locnload
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I recently purchased a new S&W M&P 22 from a favored local shop(Jensen Arms). I knew I wanted one so I told them to give me a call when they got some in. They called on Friday and I picked it up on Saturday, without a good "once over". Big mistake, won't do that again. I got it home, went to the bench and started looking it over. It has a manual safety, and as I looked at it, I found it only had a safety thumb lever on the right side and started wondering if I could reverse it to the left side. But wait, its suposed to be ambidextrious. Closer inspection revealed that the left side thumb lever had broken off, the small piece was in the plastic bag the gun was wrapped in inside its box. No problem, I took it back in on Monday morning and although the first salesman I encountered told me I'd have to ship it back to S&W, after an assertive NO 
, senior staff members said they would replace it and deal with S&W themselves. I had to redo the background check for another serial number, but no big deal, 45 minutes later I was out with a well inspected gun that by the way, works great.
, senior staff members said they would replace it and deal with S&W themselves. I had to redo the background check for another serial number, but no big deal, 45 minutes later I was out with a well inspected gun that by the way, works great. Yeah, one time i bought Remington 700 in 300 win mag, i had looked over the display model and when i decided it was what i wanted the salesman said "here let me get you a NIB one that hasnt been handled" so he went in the back and got a box, the box was labled 300 win mag, the serial on the box matched the gun, but i forgot to check what the barrel was stamped caliber wise, i didnt realize until i got home it was a 270, dern
Erik M
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I had a Ruger Vaquero ordered a year or so ago, when I pulled the cylinder out of it the face looked like someone had scrawled all over it with an engraving tool. after 3 phone calls to Ruger the only excuse I got was that this was normal and the techs that assemble the weapons engrave parts of the serial number on the cylinder. they engraved numbers (freehand) and then gouged them out between every chamber on my gun.
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