Ever noticed anti-gun bias on Wikipedia?

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I just read this article that was linked from John Lott's website about censorship of views on Wikipedia that don't toe the line on global warming alarmism and I was wondering if anyone has noticed any anti-gun bias there. I use Wikipedia all the time to learn about different guns and calibers and other gun-related stuff and I must say that I personally have not noticed any bias, but I tend to read entries written by gun people about guns - not the entries about the brady campaign, IANSA, et al. Any examples of your edits being removed or similar outrages?

Here's the article text from CBS news dot com:
Ever wonder how Al Gore, the United Nations, and company continue to get away with their claim of a “scientific consensus” confirming their doomsday view of global warming? Look no farther than Wikipedia for a stunning example of how the global-warming propaganda machine works.

As you (or your kids) probably know, Wikipedia is now the most widely used and influential reference source on the Internet and therefore in the world, with more than 50 million unique visitors a month.

In theory Wikipedia is a “people’s encyclopedia” written and edited by the people who read it - anyone with an Internet connection. So on controversial topics, one might expect to see a broad range of opinion.

Not on global warming. On global warming we get consensus, Gore-style: a consensus forged by censorship, intimidation, and deceit.

I first noticed this when I entered a correction to a Wikipedia page on the work of Naomi Oreskes, author of the now-infamous paper, published in the prestigious journal Science, claiming to have exhaustively reviewed the scientific literature and found not one single article dissenting from the alarmist version of global warming.

Of course Oreskes’s conclusions were absurd, and have been widely ridiculed. I myself have profiled dozens of truly world-eminent scientists whose work casts doubt on the Gore-U.N. version of global warming. Following the references in my book The Deniers, one can find hundreds of refereed papers that cast doubt on some aspect of the Gore/U.N. case, and that only scratches the surface.

Naturally I was surprised to read on Wikipedia that Oreskes’s work had been vindicated and that, for instance, one of her most thorough critics, British scientist and publisher Bennie Peiser, not only had been discredited but had grudgingly conceded Oreskes was right.

I checked with Peiser, who said he had done no such thing. I then corrected the Wikipedia entry, and advised Peiser that I had done so.

Peiser wrote back saying he couldn’t see my corrections on the Wikipedia page. I made the changes again, and this time confirmed that the changes had been saved. But then, in a twinkle, they were gone again. I made other changes. And others. They all disappeared shortly after they were made.

Turns out that on Wikipedia some folks are more equal than others. Kim Dabelstein Petersen is a Wikipedia “editor” who seems to devote a large part of his life to editing reams and reams of Wikipedia pages to pump the assertions of global-warming alarmists and deprecate or make disappear the arguments of skeptics.

I soon found others who had the same experience: They would try to squeeze in any dissent, or even correct an obvious slander against a dissenter, and Petersen or some other censor would immediately snuff them out.

Now Petersen is merely a Wikipedia “editor.” Holding the far more prestigious and powerful position of “administrator” is William Connolley. Connolley is a software engineer and sometime climatologist (he used to hold a job in the British Antarctic Survey), as well as a serial (but so far unsuccessful) office seeker for England’s Green party.

And yet by virtue of his power at Wikipedia, Connolley, a ruthless enforcer of the doomsday consensus, may be the world’s most influential person in the global warming debate after Al Gore. Connolley routinely uses his editorial clout to tear down scientists of great accomplishment such as Fred Singer, the first director of the U.S. National Weather Satellite Service and a scientist with dazzling achievements. Under Connolley’s supervision, Wikipedia relentlessly smears Singer as a kook who believes in Martians and a hack in the pay of the oil industry.

Wikipedia is full of rules that editors are supposed to follow, and it has a code of civility. Those rules and codes don’t apply to Connolley, or to those he favors.

“Peisers crap shouldn’t be in here,” Connolley wrote several weeks ago, in berating a Wikipedian colleague during an “edit war,” as they’re called. Trumping Wikipedia’s stated rules, Connelly used his authority to ensure Wikipedia readers saw only what he wanted them to see. Any reference, anywhere among Wikipedia’s 2.5 million English-language pages, that casts doubt on the consequences of climate change will be bent to Connolley’s bidding.

Nor are Wikipedia’s ideological biases limited to global warming. As an environmentalist I find myself with allies and adversaries on both sides of the aisle, Left and Right. But there is no doubt where Wikipedia stands: firmly on the Left. Try out Wikipedia’s entries on say, Roe v. Wade or Intelligent Design, and you will see that Wikipedia is the people’s encyclopedia only if those people are not conservatives.

Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and author of The Deniers.
 
I've not noticed a Wiki gun bias but maybe I haven't been paying enough attention.;)
Just read what I thought was a balanced article on Wyatt Earp recently.
Whoever edits most recently shifts the dialogue.More sources have to be consulted for really serious research.
 
I used to contribute heavily to Wikipedia in the area of firearms. I never saw any anti-gun bias. The only real problem was gamer kiddies trying to insert their favorite game into fireams articles. But never any anti.


-T.
 
type "gun control in the united states" in the search bar of wiki. You may be surprised.
 
I haven't noticed any bias. One thing I don't particularly like though is the fact that someone used my image of an expanded 9mm hollow point on the article about the Virginia Tech shooter. It says something like "...used a 9mm hollow point bullet such as this". But when you commit something to the public domain I guess that can happen.
 
Depends :)

I have not noticed much "anti-gun" sentiment on Wikipedia, at least in the articles about particular guns or manufacturers. In fact, I was just editing the one on Kahr Arms -- was there at first to try to divine (ha ha) the origin of the name Kahr, since the company was founded by Justin Moon, rather than anyone named Kahr. (Did not find the answer, either -- does anyone know?)

In articles about "gun control" etc, I'd expect more of that stuff -- and do. But I find a lot more balance (and I don't mean sickly, tepid "some people say" schlock) on WP than I someones brace myself to find. Also, I edit when I have time and inclination; the quality on WP goes up, generally speaking, unless a particular article is part of on ongoing verbal battle.

timothy
 
The global warming doesn't exist crowd is equally as credible as the holocaust deniers.

That said, wikipedia is a great resource for technical info on firearms, and I have not actually noticed any sort of anti-gun bias on wikipedia. In fact, they are usually quite balanced, and remember reading an article on wiki that was disputing the claims that a handgun ban actually prevented murders.
 
hk g3 are you supporting global warming or denying the holocaust? Seems to me one has little in the way of substantative evidence while the other has very blatant evidence. Or was your intention to draw a parallel between those who don't believe what the government says and totalitarian dictatorships who would enslave their citizens?
Please clarify your comment
 
(Steering the conversation back towards firearms ;))

In my experience on Wikipedia, I've noticed more people towing our line than that of the antis. This probably has to do with the fact that there are more of us, and we seem to be more motivated. Of course, my perception is colored by the types of articles I'm likely to look at. I doubt many antis look at or edit articles on some of the more technical aspects of firearms.

For a good example of what I'd consider a poorly written article, look at AK-47 Variants. It spends some time criticizing the Assault Weapons Ban. Now, I agree with what the article says, but it's not exactly encyclopedia-type writing (maybe I'll get around to editing that one sometime).
 
Do you really think that the global warming doesnt exist (whatever you think the causes and the consequences may be) ?

I firmly believe that this is not gun related.
 
My part of the globe warms every morning, and cools in the afternoon. It also tends to warm up through the sping into summer, and cool down through the fall into winter.
 
Do you really think that the global warming doesnt exist (whatever you think the causes and the consequences may be) ?
I believe that climate fluctuates over very long periods of time, and a one or two degree shift one way or the other over a century is not proof that man caused the shift nor that there is any need to do anything about it.

There is also very good reason to be suspicious of at least some of the data being used. For one thing, urban areas are always slightly warmer than non-urban areas. More areas on the earth are becoming urbanized over time, which might well lead to recorded temperatures showing some increase over time solely from increased urbanization.
 
The global warming doesn't exist crowd is equally as credible as the holocaust deniers.
Global warming is the holocaust. Really off-topic and inflammatory. Way to go.

The thing about Wikipedia is if there are errors and bias, the users can correct it. That's part of what makes Wikipedia unique.
 
One reason to be skeptical is not the science, which I am not qualified to judge, but because the people who push the hardest about it would want the same social policies even if it were not true.

In other words, it's a convenient reason to push for higher energy prices and taxes and more regulation of the economy. The goal for many progressives is getting Americans out of their cars and houses and into public transportation and apartments, and allowing government to make many more decisions about what is produced and consumed.

It also makes me uneasy to see advocates of global warming use arguments that they know are unreliable, such as using short term weather (hurricanes) as "proof" of global warming. When we had a bad hurricane season, that was presented as evidence of global warming. When we had a below average season, nothing was said. Climate and weather are different. I confronted one advocate about this and she said "well, the other side lies so we have to do the same to keep it even."

A related reason is the claim that "the discussion is over" or that "there is no argument any more." That's not how science works. Science should always be open to the other point of view and to new evidence.

And finally, I'm old enough that I was taught in college about the coming ice age, which would cause the wheat farms of the northern plains to freeze out and cause a huge drop in agricultural production.
 
Anyone that references Benny Peiser shows that they have at most an EXTREMELY LIMITED knowledge of global warming & it's politics.

Benny Peiser, a PhD in a non-hard science (anthropology), argued that this abstract is one of 34 since 1991 that debunked the consensus on global climate change:

AQUATIC BIOMASS RESOURCES AND CARBON-DIOXIDE TRAPPING
CHELF P, BROWN LM, WYMAN CE
BIOMASS & BIOENERGY 4 (3): 175-183 1993
Intensively managed microalgal production facilities are capable of fixing several-fold more carbon dioxide per unit area than trees or crops. Although CO2 is still released when fuels derived from algal biomass are burned, integration of microalgal farms for flue gas capture approximately doubles the amount of energy produced per unit of CO2 released. Materials derived from microalgal biomass also can be used for other long-term uses, serving to sequester CO2. Flue gas has the potential to provide sufficient quantities of CO2 for such large-scale microalgae farms. Viewing microalgae farms as a means to reduce the effects of a greenhouse gas (carbon dioxide, CO2) changes the view of the economics of the process. Instead of requiring that microalgae-derived fuel be cost competitive with fossil fuels, the process economics must be compared with those of other technologies proposed to deal with the problem of CO2 pollution. However, development of alternative, environmentally safer energy production technologies will benefit society whether or not global climate change actually occurs. Microalgal biomass production has great potential to contribute to world energy supplies, and to control CO2 emissions as the demand for energy increases. This technology makes productive use of arid and semi-arid lands and highly saline water, resources that are not suitable for agriculture and other biomass technologies.

If Benny Peiser truly believes that a pro-alternative energy paper debunks global warming then he has severe reading comprehension problems. This is just one of many rather ridiculous mistakes he's made.
 
As a side note, if an expert in the gun community wants to retain credibility he/she should be very careful as to what they say on global warming. I'm a big fan of Kopel but some of the experts he cites on this topic are the exact same people that said smoking doesn't cause cancer in the 80's. Experts should stick with what they know when claiming positions of authority. This is a critical lesson of credibility that way too many experts, including some of those that defend our rights, have not learned.
 
Experts should stick with what they know when claiming positions of authority

You mean, like Al Gore? I have seen several articles by Climatologists, including the owner of the Weather Channel who claim that is total bunk. Also, you cited a guy who also claimed that, sure, even if it is bunk, we are ramming this through because that is what we want.... no matter the cost.

ummm, sounds like socialists who want power to me.
 
Global warming doesn't exist. Temperatures have dropped over the last 10 years. We had one of the coldest winters on record last year. Global Warming is a religion Al Gore is it's Mohamed.
 
Anyhoo, back to Wikipedia...

There's a member here that created the image showing a progression of states that moved from may issue to shall issue and WP keeps pulling it for various reasons. They claim copyright violations/lack of documentation/anything they can to get it removed. He started a thread here somewhere several months ago looking for references to dates when each state law changed.

That's at least one blatant attempt to hide the pro-gun story...I'm sure there are others.

ETA: Here's the thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=359823
 
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One reason to be skeptical is not the science, which I am not qualified to judge, but because the people who push the hardest about it would want the same social policies even if it were not true.

In other words, it's a convenient reason to push for higher energy prices and taxes and more regulation of the economy. The goal for many progressives is getting Americans out of their cars and houses and into public transportation and apartments, and allowing government to make many more decisions about what is produced and consumed.

It also makes me uneasy to see advocates of global warming use arguments that they know are unreliable, such as using short term weather (hurricanes) as "proof" of global warming. When we had a bad hurricane season, that was presented as evidence of global warming. When we had a below average season, nothing was said. Climate and weather are different. I confronted one advocate about this and she said "well, the other side lies so we have to do the same to keep it even."

A related reason is the claim that "the discussion is over" or that "there is no argument any more." That's not how science works. Science should always be open to the other point of view and to new evidence.

And finally, I'm old enough that I was taught in college about the coming ice age, which would cause the wheat farms of the northern plains to freeze out and cause a huge drop in agricultural production.

Not gun related, but you said it all. That is why I'm skeptical. Not because of the direct science(though the earth has actually cooled in the past 3 years), but because the people shouting about man made global warming are the same socialist big government deceptive statists who would want these same measures to control our lives anyways.
 
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