Examples where Gun control resulted in loss of liberty

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I'm looking for historical facts where gun control was imposed on a people just prior to their liberty/lives being taken.

ie: Germany imposing gun control and then rounding up/killing the jews.

Please direct me to a site if possible that provides these facts.
 
Innocents Betrayed

Go to the JPFO website as mentioned earlier; order the DVD "Innocents Betrayed" - takes you from 1914 to the present day. Graphic examples not a video for the faint of heart but should be required viewing for all of voting age.

John
Charlotte, NC
 
Northslope,

You could google the book The Burning of Lawrence, by Andrew Malan Milward.

In it he describes the people were unarmed and defensless thanks to a recent ordinance forwared by mayor Collamore decreeing that all weapons be locked up inside the armory for safety.

The book also says in almost every case where a determined resistance was offered the ruffians withdrew. Somebody didn't turn in their gun.

Quantrill's men (350-400) rode past union soldiers camped nearby who were under orders to protect Lawrence, Ks.

Some 160 men and boys were murdered in the most foul mannor. If any of you sometimes wonder what you would do if required to turn um in, read this story.
 
The American South after reconstruction and up until the 1960s. Good Ol' Boy laws depriving Blacks of firearm ownership.
 
Are you looking for this chart?

Seen here (if it wont paste properly):
http://www.jpfo.org/deathgc.htm

The Human Cost of "Gun Control" Ideas
Government Dates Targets Civiliams Killed "Gun Control" Laws Features of Over-all "Gun Control" scheme
Ottoman Turkey 1915-1917 Armenians
(mostly Christians) 1-1.5 million Art. 166, Pen. Code, 1866
& 1911 Proclamation, 1915 • Permits required •Government list of owners
•Ban on possession
Soviet Union 1929-1945 Political opponents;
farming communities 20 million Resolutions, 1918
Decree, July 12, 1920
Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926 •Licensing of owners
•Ban on possession
•Severe penalties
Nazi Germany
& Occupied Europe 1933-1945 Political opponents;
Jews; Gypsies;
critics; "examples" 20 million Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928
Weapon Law, March 18, 1938
Regulations against Jews, 1938 •Registration & Licensing
•Stricter handgun laws
•Ban on possession
China, Nationalist 1927-1949 Political opponents;
army conscripts; others 10 million Art. 205, Crim. Code, 1914
Art. 186-87, Crim. Code, 1935 •Government permit system
•Ban on private ownership
China, Red 1949-1952
1957-1960
1966-1976 Political opponents;
Rural populations
Enemies of the state 20-35 million Act of Feb. 20, 1951
Act of Oct. 22, 1957 •Prison or death to "counter-revolutionary criminals" and anyone resisting any government program
•Death penalty for supply guns to such "criminals"
Guatemala 1960-1981 Mayans & other Indians;
political enemies 100,000-
200,000 Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
Decree 386, 1947
Decree 283, 1964 •Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees
•Prohibit carrying guns
•Bans on guns, sharp tools •Confiscation powers
Uganda 1971-1979 Christians
Political enemies 300,000 Firearms Ordinance, 1955
Firearms Act, 1970 •Register all guns & owners •Licenses for transactions
•Warrantless searches •Confiscation powers
Cambodia
(Khmer Rouge) 1975-1979 Educated Persons;
Political enemies 2 million Art. 322-328, Penal Code
Royal Ordinance 55, 1938 •Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition & transactions
•Photo ID with fingerprints •License inspected quarterly
Rwanda 1994 Tutsi people 800,000 Decree-Law No. 12, 1979 •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify
need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers

When the gun prohibitionists quote a statistic about how many people are killed by firearms misuse, the discussion sometimes bogs down into whose crime stats to believe and how to count crimes vs. the defensive firearm uses. Death by Gun Control works on a level that nobody can dispute: documented world history.

In the 20th Century:

Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.
Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.
How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.




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A woman I worked with was ten years old in 1959 when Castro took over Cuba. Her dad was a prominent doctor and on the People's S-list. Comrads were always coming around searching the house looking for his guns. They were, and probably still are hidden in a hollow pillar by the front steps of the house.

My co-worker got out of cuba by the skin of her teeth. She learned to equate Communism with gun control first hand and not from the NRA or the "American Gun Culture."
 
I'm looking for historical facts where gun control was imposed on a people just prior to their liberty/lives being taken.
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As others have pointed out, you must not let the asker get away with his implication that the imposition of gun control is somehow trivial, and NOT inherently a loss of liberty.

The person who asks this question is thinking from a very insulated point of view, probably thinking about Britian or Australia, considering that in those cases, gun control wasn't an intentional prelude to genocide or systematic oppression.

The modern model for systematic oppression of thing is much less bust-in-the-door-at-4am stormtrooperish thing, because that provides a flash point inviting direct opposition. The modern model is insidious, preferring instead to leech people's fighting spirit incrementally. In the modern model, if a flash point target is presented, it's either an error on the oppressor's part, or a trap.


As always, the correct question is the invert: where, in the history of man, was tyranny successful in the face of a well armed populace secure in its own libery?
 
"As others have pointed out, you must not let the asker get away with his implication that the imposition of gun control is somehow trivial, and NOT inherently a loss of liberty."

I wasn't implying such. I used liberty as "loss of physical liberty" or "physical bondage" like improsonment. Hence, why I placed it together with loss of life.

I should have chosen my words more carefully...more precisely....but I wasn't implying that losing guns was trivial. I would never! :eek::eek:

I'm simply looking for historical facts to go into my Second Amendment defense file.

The grid that an earlier poster provided was exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks for the responses. :)
 
Gun Control in Cuba Before Castro = No Guns With Castro

I know. I was there. I fought. I was caught in 1961. Finally made it to an orphanage in the USA, and I couldn't have been happier!!!! Then I turned 16.

In Cuba, through 01 January 1959, Fulgencio Batista Zaldivar (common dictator) required guns to be registered, but a citizen could still own guns (at least long guns, as far as I can remember) for hunting, etc.

When Fidel Castro took over, he used the registries archived by Batista to get the guns away from the people. My Dad did not own any, but several of my uncles and cousins did, and lost them. What do I remember most clearly? A beautiful Winchester lever action (cowboy-style, as we used to say, and I believe it was 30-30) that Castro's G2 secret police took away from my cousin Enrique G. This particular case happened several weeks after Castro took over.

Nando

Two references:

http://www.reprint-content.com/Article/Gun-Control-Is-Not-Constitutional/119557

"During the 20th century, totalitarian and authoritarian regimes have used gun registration records and other means to confiscate firearms from those who might otherwise jeopardize their rule. Stringent gun laws established by the anti-Communist Cuban government of Fulgencio Batista, for instance, enabled Communist despot Fidel Castro to solidify his control after toppling Batista. Under Batista, gun owners had to register their firearms with the police, which made it a simple matter for Castro's agents to locate and collect the guns."

http://www.americandaily.com/article/5933

"Hitler took several years to disarm the population using gun registration lists, but Castro moved against private gun ownership the second day he was in power. He sent his thugs throughout the island using the gun registry lists -- compiled by the preceding Batista regime -- to confiscate the people's firearms. Different tactics, same objective. A defenseless people don't give the all-wise leader any lip."
 
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