Extra 9x19 Barrel for my RIA .38 Super 1911

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I bought my RIA 1911 in .38 Super because I quite like this cartridge. The gun shoots reasonably well, but it tended to stay in the safe longer than my 9mm Paras due to handloading laziness on my part.

With .38 Super I try to recover as much fired brass as possible, but with 9x19 I don't bother. Whenever I feel that handloading 9x19 is worth the effort, I buy processed (resized, deprimed, cleaned) once-fired brass -- it's cheap enough and saves me considerable time. So I figured, why not try to fit the gun with a second 9x19 barrel and get a little more use out of it?

I realize 1911s are not known for drop-in interchangeability but how hard could it be? Experienced 1911 experts may want to skip over the next bit. I'm sure I did this all wrong, but it seemed to work out OK in the end.

I ordered a barrel of the same type along with a suitable recoil spring from RIA's parts distributor, plus three Mec-Gar 9mm magazines from GunMag Warehouse. Cost for everything was around $140 with postage and tax.
When the new barrel arrived, the .38 bushing fit just fine but the link was very stiff and the barrel would not fully go into battery. I watched a few of YouTube videos about 1911 barrel fitting, and compared the dimensions of new barrel with the original .38 Super barrel using my digital caliper. As far as I could determine, the differences between the two were confined to the length of the barrel hood.

I began using a fine file until I could detect the very beginnings of lockup, then switched to using stones from my Lansky sharpening kit. A pro could have done the job in a minute or two but I spent over an hour at it, stoning, trying fit, measuring, rinse and repeat. When the slide could just barely fit into battery I switched to finest stone until it would lock up without the recoil spring installed and a little helping push. I stopped stoning with the barrel fitting the slide noticeably tighter than the original .38 Super barrel. I also lubed and worked the link back and forth until it moved freely.

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I initially shot the pistol with a box of CCI Blazer ammo (121 grainers, if I remember right) and function was flawless. Extraction seemed consistent, and the gun grouped a bit tighter than with the original barrel, slightly to the left of center. There were no signs of obvious peening or unusual wear on the slide or barrel when I took it apart to clean up afterwards, and the fired brass looked fine.

On my second range session with some handloaded ammo, I experienced one double feed that I suspect may have been caused by the magazine. I had noticed that all three MecGar mags tended to put up a fight when loading the third round, and that was the point where the double feed had occurred. Perhaps there's an internal constriction, possibly around one of the spot welds for the spacer at the back. I've ordered one 9mm mag each from Wilson and McCormick to see whether the problem recurs with different magazines.

I'm quite happy with this combination so far. Fitting was a bit of a risk for an utter 1911 neophyte, but it seems to have paid off. The gun now reminds me of the 9x19 Auto Ordnance 1911 a high school friend of mine used to own, only mine shoots a bit tighter than his did.

I swapped grips as another visual cue about which barrel is installed. I'll swap barrels and grips back to continue shooting .38 Super whenever the urge hits.
 
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Thanks for the report. Sounds like youre now no longer a neophyte. :)

I have a couple of 9mm 1911's and use both the 9 and 10 round MecGar mags. Ther 9 rounders definitely are not the most reliable, at least across the ten or so I have.

They seem to have figured that out with a bit of a different and better design with the ten rounders though. They work a lot better and have been more reliable.
 
How's the POI with the 9mm barrel? I have a RIA GI 1911 in Super 38 and this sounds like a worthwhile addition.
Here's the last eight rounds from my old box of CCI Blazers (the flyer at right was my fault), shot from a rest at seven yards with a six o'clock hold on the black and bad eyesight:

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So it groups a bit low and to the left.

As a control for comparison purposes, I shot this 8-round group at the same distance with the same ammo on the same day with my SIG P49 (210.) I know that pistol will drill a single ragged hole with a better shooter than me:

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Here's the link to the barrel I bought (my original .38 barrel was also ramped). RIA's website sent me directly to Advanced Tactical, so I guess they are their official parts retailer.


The recoil spring came from the same website. I have no idea whether my fitting experience was typical or unusual, so good luck!
 
I am a huge fan of the Super .38 but ran into the same trouble as the OP. Among other things, I have a hell of a time telling the difference between Super .38 brass and 9mm brass, when it is laying on the floor of a dimly lit range. I was about ready to buy myself an identical 1911 in 9mm, but then the Super .38 got stolen and I wrote off the whole project. Were I to do it again, I think I'd just buy the pair of guns; one for practice and the other for carry.
 
I am a huge fan of the Super .38 but ran into the same trouble as the OP. Among other things, I have a hell of a time telling the difference between Super .38 brass and 9mm brass, when it is laying on the floor of a dimly lit range.
My problem gets worse: my Astra and Star 9x23 Largo autos shoot just fine using .38 Super brass (downloaded to .38 ACP specs), so once reloaded I have to make darned sure to mark the boxes of the higher pressure ammo clearly and store them in separate ammo cans!

I have a tiny bit of 9x23 Starline Largo brass left, but it was from an early batch that was a little brittle and prone to cracking. I also have a diminishing quantity of brass that is actually headstamped .38 ACP rather than Super, but segregating that out seems like too much effort.
 
My problem gets worse: my Astra and Star 9x23 Largo autos shoot just fine using .38 Super brass (downloaded to .38 ACP specs), so once reloaded I have to make darned sure to mark the boxes of the higher pressure ammo clearly and store them in separate ammo cans!

I have a tiny bit of 9x23 Starline Largo brass left, but it was from an early batch that was a little brittle and prone to cracking. I also have a diminishing quantity of brass that is actually headstamped .38 ACP rather than Super, but segregating that out seems like too much effort.

I'm sticking with revolvers! :neener:
 
I originally wanted a 1911 in 38 Super but I couldn't find any at the time so I bought a RIA 9mm instead. I then bought a 38 Super barrel from Advanced Tactical (RIA web store front) and it dropped right into my 9mm slide with zero hand fitting required. Yes I should have bought lottery tickets that day.

According to everything I could find, RIA uses the same recoils spring in both 9mm and 38 Super 1911's. https://advancedtactical.com/1911-fs-9mm-12-lbs-recoil-spring/

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Dave DeLaurant

Sounds like you did just fine in fitting your 9mm. barrel into your .38 Super RIA. I have been very fortunate in that my last 9mm. conversion had been a drop-in fit in my Colt Commander. I have also found that Colt 9mm. magazines work very reliably, possibly due to the spacer assembly that runs the length of the magazine body. Not sure whether other 9mm. 1911 magazine manufacturers use this feature.
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I found a trick with the RIA 9mm/38 Super slides. I use Starline 38 Cuper Comp or Starline 9mm Largo brass instead of standard 38 Super brass with its bigger rim diameter. That way I can tune the extractor for 9mm and 38 Super Comp/9mm Largo.

Starline's 38 Super Comp and 9mm Largo brass is exactly the same except for the name stated on the case head. Dimensions are the same for both.
 
I’m curious, will the 9mm rds work in the .38super mags?

Reason I ask is that I have a RIA 9mm/.22TCM double stack that uses .38 super DS mags for both. The RIA branded DS mag has slightly shorter feed lips but the Mec-Gar .38super DS mags I got from RIA at one point are standard. Both function just fine with 9mm rds.
 
I’m curious, will the 9mm rds work in the .38super mags?

Reason I ask is that I have a RIA 9mm/.22TCM double stack that uses .38 super DS mags for both. The RIA branded DS mag has slightly shorter feed lips but the Mec-Gar .38super DS mags I got from RIA at one point are standard. Both function just fine with 9mm rds.
Dunno. Might give it a try next time I'm at the range out of curiosity.
 
If seeing a fat old guy shoot a 1911 (which he swears is now in 9x19) tickles your fancy, here's the video for you!

This was only the second magazine I fired through it after the barrel install, BTW:


 
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