Eye, ear protection and -- amazingly -- shoes!

[Arkie]

Hey there Oleg!!!

Nice photo! Keep them coming. I like what you do.

Hi Correia!!! How's it going?

 

[Mumwaldee]

Yeah...shame on us.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/637859.html

...
Ryan Mills knows the cost of posting a photo that unsettled police.

Mills, 21, posed on Facebook with friends and high-powered guns. A deputy sheriff ended up shooting to death Mills' friend Peyton Strickland, an 18-year-old college student from Durham, during a botched raid in December in Wilmington. A grand jury decided last week that the deputy, who said he expected heavily armed resistance based on the Facebook picture, should not be indicted for fatally shooting an unarmed Strickland through the door.

University of North Carolina-Wilmington police and sheriff's deputies had gone to the Wilmington home of Strickland, a student at Cape Fear Community College, looking for a PlayStation 3 video game machine they suspected he and Mills stole.

Police feared that the guns pictured with Mills were in Strickland's house. Christopher Long, the deputy who shot Strickland, carried a .45-caliber submachine gun, a .45-caliber pistol, two extra pistol magazines, two extra sub gun magazines, a gas mask, a knife and a flash bang grenade, according to court records.
...

If they do this over pics on myspace wait til they find out about.../gasp gun forums.

 

[Correia]

Good for you, Mumwaldee. You were able to take a story, where the cops may or may not have done anything wrong, with no real details, no actual knowledge of the events, or knowledge if the shooting was justified, (grand jury didn't indict him, which you didn't bother to bold) and you managed to tack it on there, even though it isn't related to the guy in Oleg's picture at all.

Then you highlight the fact he had GASP two spare magazines for his gun. Shocking! Shocking I say! Wait, let me check. Oh MY GOSH! I have two spare magazines for my .45 also! OH NOEs! Wait, I've got TWO! Yes TWO knives! On me! Right now. I'm far more jackbooted that this cop!

And if I was working with a long gun, I would probably have spare mags for it too.

Gas mask? Did they plan on using gas? Then gas masks usually kind of help, what with the breathing and whatnot. And a flash bang? Imagine the evil that could be caused with such a thing. And the fact that he had this stuff, oh, on his vest, which has pockets to carry that stuff. Stunning.

Wait, the paper said the raid was botched? Why? Because the paper said so? Yes, because news papers never get anything wrong, or have any sort of bias. (unless they disagree with you, then they're communist scum). Never mind that. Moving on.

So the cops have a ROBBERY suspect. They gather intel on the suspect. They come up with the fact that this robbery suspect has lots of weapons. So they go prepared. And since we don't know what happened to cause the shooting... hmm... NEVER MIND THAT! HE HAD A GAS MASK! BURN HIM!

Golf clap for you.

Now why don't you go find some pictures of nazis or something to post, and we'll have brought this thread full circle. Then you can proclaim Checkmate! For you've defended freedom today!

HOO RAY for Mumwaldee! He won the internet!

 

[yy]

I still don't get it ...

Oleg: I missed the connection between the thread title and the picture. Safe shoes and Iceman?

Correia: I also missed the point of the flammable back and forths about cop bashing. I thought Oleg's posters usually have to do with "when government runs amuk, who will protect you if not you?" kind of theme? What I am saying is, in that rum-amuk kind of sense, aren't the cop bashers agreeing with the warning in the poster - "the ice man is coming to get you?"

Bashers: I further missed how a grafiti-like "iceman cometh" tag on the poster suggests the person in the poster is coming to reap us instead of rescue us.

 

[RancidSumo]

I want that gun

 

[Correia]

YY, see my earlier posts in this thread. I'm just sick and tired of the whiner brigade taking over every thread. They don't actually do anything to help solve the problem (and oh yeah, believe me, I know there's a problem too) but they're always on hand to send L&P flaming down the toilet into one giant gripefest about how picked on they are.

 

[ziadel]

Why do Idaho cops act differently from NYC cops?

Um. because people in Idaho have guns, and have access to them at all times?

I'm not supporting the Godwin argument, but I think that as long as ANY police officers enforce unconstitutional laws, there will be resentment towards ALL police officers.

 

[Oleg Volk]

The shoe comment was an in-joke for people who complained about flip-flops in the previous shot. Now they dislike the protective gear instead of lack of protective gear. Can I win?

 

[Mumwaldee]

HOO RAY for Mumwaldee! He won the internet!

Thank you! Thank you!

Since I'm a fan of the downtrodden and abused, I think I shall now start a campaign bringing to light the oppression of the modern law enforcement officer.

 

[Justin]

And all in a thread dedicated to a photograph of a cop.

Awesome.

 

[buzz_knox]

There's a major problem with target identification via the internet. Some will see a cop and begin attacking without identifying friend or foe. Others will see a cop and begin defending, without doing the same check.

 

[Correia]

Checked. Friend of Olegs. Good guy. RKBA activist.

But this is L&P afterall. So we better lynch him.

I'm not supporting the Godwin argument, but I think that as long as ANY police officers enforce unconstitutional laws, there will be resentment towards ALL police officers.

So to parapharase, as long as any members of one group do something bad, then we will resent all of that group?

As long as any gun owner is a crazy, redneck whackadoo, then they're all whackadoos?

Okay, makes sense in an L&P kind of way...

 

[buzz_knox]

Checked. Friend of Olegs. Good guy. RKBA activist.

But this is L&P afterall. So we better lynch him.

Correia

It was just a general observation, not based on this thread per se. In this thread, one side showed its posterior. In other threads, the other side (or usually both) do so.

 

[yy]

thank you Oleg and Correia

I understand the reference now.


And I also see and resent the same trend. It's like some posters are playing a one-ups-man game to see who can out bash the most.



Here's a challenge: when was the last time any of us in this thread went on a ride-a-long? Can we really decry police abuses if the closest thing we experienced was the last episode of COP show?

 

[KelVarnson]

...should not be indicted for fatally shooting an unarmed Strickland through the door.

Through a closed door? How do you get away with that?

And if you are not alarmed by the deputy basing the threat level on a Facebook picture, then consider how many members here have posted photos of themselves and their friends with various high-powered weapons. No difference, really. In fact, LEOs might assume a larger threat from a "gun nut", who may have more weapons and be likely more skilled with them that the average punk with a Glock, posting on Facebook.

I didin't get the impression from Mumwaldee's post that he was indicting all cops, but rather pointing out that they are not necessarily all good, all the time.

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

Then you highlight the fact he had GASP two spare magazines for his gun. Shocking! Shocking I say! Wait, let me check. Oh MY GOSH! I have two spare magazines for my .45 also! OH NOEs! Wait, I've got TWO! Yes TWO knives! On me! Right now. I'm far more jackbooted that this cop!

Way to take the High Road Correia...

Can I win?

You already have!

 

[Correia]

No Heavy Metal. It isn't about taking The High Road. It is about taking The High Road BACK.

I'm done tolerating nonsense. We built this board to be one thing, and I've got a contingent of people trying to turn it into something else. We didn't make L&P for it to be a giant shrieking whinefest. We created it to motivate the people already on our side to action, and to sway the undecided.

It currently isn't accomplishing that mission.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Inside references aside, I'm still confused.

The way I read it, the point is we should be able to be armed for when the "iceman" comes to "ice" us. That sounds like a pretty strong message against militarized police repression to me. But the detractors are complaining that it's pro-police, and others are attacking the detractors for being too anti-police.

Like I said, I'm confused. But I think that a poster that has to be explained is not an effective one...

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

We didn't make L&P for it to be a giant shrieking whinefest.

No offense, but you are doing a lot of whining yourself.

We created it to motivate the people already on our side to action, and to sway the undecided.

Then call them on being OT. Having a pissing match isn't going to help.


With that said, I am staying out of this conflict of opinion.

 

[Correia]

No offense, but you are doing a lot of whining yourself.

Not the first time I've been accused of that in L&P. In fact, any time you point out asinine behavior (automatically throwing up pictures of nazis, and having a patrick Henry soundbyte contest) you're a whiner.

(don't believe me, go back and read this thread, go read any other thread where cops come up as a topic. Tell me how those threads further the mission of THR).

Okay, whatever. At least I know that I go out and do stuff about this topic, other than talk about it on the internet.

I posted a huge list of things people could do to help on this issue, but that got shot down, because it was too hard. Go figure. We would rather sit here, at each other's throats and complain about the sound of jackboots. Then we'll mock anybody who is different than us, until they leave THR.

We've managed to chase off most of members who are cops. Explain to me how that helps the mission of THR?

But I guess by saying that, I'm a whiner. Whatever.

Then call them on being OT. Having a pissing match isn't going to help.

Careful what you wish for. If it were my choice, there would be zero threads in L&P at all that didn't related only to guns, and a very narrow focus at that. Nothing else. Nada. Illegal immigration? Nope. Drugs? Nope. Arguments about candidates? Only their stance on guns. Period. Nothing else.

This is in general, but it is a spill over from a previous thread in L&P where I was having this same discussion, with the same group of people.

 

[Oleg Volk]

It was not meant to be anything but an in-joke and a pun. I did not think it would be taken seriously.

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

In fact, any time you point out asinine behavior you're a whiner.

Other Mods seem to have no problem calling a spade a spade without sounding l33t.

At least I know that I go out and do stuff about this topic, other than talk about it on the internet.

I thank you, but I am sure you are not alone.

I posted a huge list of things people could do to help on this issue, but that got shot down, because it was too hard.

Could you PM me with the link to this list? (unless it is a sticky; I will check)

We've managed to chase off most of members who are cops. Explain to me how that helps the mission of THR?

It doesn't, you're right. I don't personally agree with a lot of the cop bashing here but that doesn't mean I will have a temper tantrum when someone mentions it. You (maybe not you as a mod) have a right not to read threads or posts that are offensive in this way.

But I guess by saying that, I'm a whiner. Whatever.

What's with the attitude? Don't take it personally I was just telling you how you are coming across to me. If you felt insulted you should contact me via a PM.

Careful what you wish for. If it were my choice, there would be zero threads in L&P at all that didn't related only to guns, and a very narrow focus at that. Nothing else. Nada. Illegal immigration? Nope. Drugs? Nope. Arguments about candidates? Only their stance on guns. Period. Nothing else.

If you really want to be that black and white about it then fine.

This is in general, but it is a spill over from a previous thread in L&P where I was having this same discussion, with the same group of people.

Politely tell them that this is not the place.

I did not think it would be taken seriously.

Oleg is right, jokes are supposed to be funny. Besides, at least he is wearing shoes.

 

[Hatchett]

If he lifted his elbow a little he'd be the LICE man, and nobody wants that.

 

[Tharg]

wow - many woops to Coreia - and i mean MANY.

That being said - i'm hurt - dissapointed, even feel a bit estranged from some of my geekish following, who somehow... did NOT photoshop a pair of flip flops on that picture (grin) (or worse - a pretty woman on those boots...)

Good work Oleg, as usual

edit: oh wait... i'm sorry Oleg, you meant this thread to be serious? (snicker - just jokin) in some ways this board is different than (omg) four years ago. Lets keep on track people =) THR, you know - the people who don't freak out because someone said gun... (or omg had one) Sound, earthed people, who can tell a joke from sexual harassment, people who have water that flows off a ducks back, not soaking the duck. People with common sense. Least, thats what i'm used to on here even if i don't post every day

to all - take care! Be good, and if you can't... be good at it.

J/Tharg

Edit X 2 - this is actually my 4 year anniversary on here... wow... now thats a co-ink-a-dink

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

That being said - i'm hurt - dissapointed, even feel a bit estranged from some of my geekish following, who somehow... did NOT photoshop a pair of flip flops on that picture (grin) (or worse - a pretty woman on those boots...)

If I knew what I was doing it would have been done.