Mumbles_45
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correction: select fire FALs, AKs, and ARs are legal in most, BUT NOT HIS state
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correction: select fire FALs, AKs, and ARs are legal in most, BUT NOT HIS state
You could not be more correct.
It would seem that your feelings are getting in the way of your rational thinking. He never said he wants to deny or take away your rights. He encourages people to not let their friends build ILLEGAL machine guns, probably so the friend doesn't risk losing their rights for a felony conviction.
You could not be more correct
Thank you for confirming that.
"I still don't see your problem."
Well, I am not sure you need or want to see my problem. After all, as was so correctly pointed out, it is MY problem. Feel free to worship the guy all you want.
My problem is that IMO he goes out of his way to make the statment. He doesn't just not stock the parts. He doesn't just post that he doesn't stock the parts. He chooses instead to make a statement that IMO implies that people who might want to buy these parts are intending to commit a federal crime. That is my problem. He went out of his way to say this when he didn't have to. That implies to me that he believes that people who buy these parts are criminals and there is no legitimate use for these parts.
Just like the two other examples I gave.
Illegal is the operative word: you hit the nail on the head.
He implies that buying these parts is illegal and people who buy these parts are intending to commit an illegal act. This isn't true. And, he didn't need to say it. But he chooses to anyway.
"I have found THR to be much less friendly about select fire weapons and info. I have seen many FA threads here locked out of ignorance and a PC mentality."
I couldn't agree more. I also have seen the moderators lock threads that were discussing perfectly legal aspects of this hobby. I have also read countless posts on this board that give totally incorrect information about the ownership of NFA weapons. Some in fact say that these things are illegal. And, every time I read a post like that, I jump in and try to correct this VERY commonly repeated mis-information. This is yet another case of the same thing: his statement implies that this stuff can only be used for illegal purposes and that is why he doesn't sell it. That isn't true and I am pointing that out.
Thank you for confirming that.
"I still don't see your problem."
Well, I am not sure you need or want to see my problem. After all, as was so correctly pointed out, it is MY problem. Feel free to worship the guy all you want.
My problem is that IMO he goes out of his way to make the statment. He doesn't just not stock the parts. He doesn't just post that he doesn't stock the parts. He chooses instead to make a statement that IMO implies that people who might want to buy these parts are intending to commit a federal crime. That is my problem. He went out of his way to say this when he didn't have to. That implies to me that he believes that people who buy these parts are criminals and there is no legitimate use for these parts.
Just like the two other examples I gave.
Illegal is the operative word: you hit the nail on the head.
He implies that buying these parts is illegal and people who buy these parts are intending to commit an illegal act. This isn't true. And, he didn't need to say it. But he chooses to anyway.
"I have found THR to be much less friendly about select fire weapons and info. I have seen many FA threads here locked out of ignorance and a PC mentality."
I couldn't agree more. I also have seen the moderators lock threads that were discussing perfectly legal aspects of this hobby. I have also read countless posts on this board that give totally incorrect information about the ownership of NFA weapons. Some in fact say that these things are illegal. And, every time I read a post like that, I jump in and try to correct this VERY commonly repeated mis-information. This is yet another case of the same thing: his statement implies that this stuff can only be used for illegal purposes and that is why he doesn't sell it. That isn't true and I am pointing that out.
Gunpartsguy
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Hi Guys! I've been "lurking" here off and on for years. Never registered. About time I did! Good forum!
Thank you for the emails letting me know about this thread. I feel that I must say something.
We used to get "fished" all the time about full auto stuff. Since we put up that notice we don't anymore. People wanting full auto parts, Full auto receivers. advice on how to make a weapon full auto...etc......... They wasted our precious time and we will not under any circumstances have anything to do with any illegal weapon of any sort. You wouldn't believe the stupidity sometimes! And sometimes it was guys that just needed to know if what they have is FA or not and legal. They're no problem and we are here to help and/or refer them to where they need to go to get the help they need if we can.
To build any FA weapon under anything but a class 7 SOT for LE and government contracts is a class 2 (IIRC) federal felony. I don't make the rules. To make any weapon into full auto is also a no no without that SOT. I love my freedom and I love what I do. I don't want to endanger that. I especially don't want to endanger my families security!
If you feel that this statement on my home page is offensive. Well....So be it! We don't have the time for all the BS fishing expeditions. We have real customers to serve that are deserving of every minute we spend to help them. They are what we are here for. Not for FA wannabe's that are willing to break the law and go to prison.
I stand by what I say:
"Friends don't let friends build ILLEGAL Machine guns!" Period!
Thank you for all the kind words and support guys! We serve the best customers in the world and we are proud to serve you!
BTW- The NRA condition guidelines don't have anything about refurbished or refinished parts. Since the great majority of our parts are refinished/refurbished we use the "Outstanding" and "Like new" descriptions. We have yet to have anybody that has received these parts disagree with the description or performance of these parts. In fact we have gotten lots of responses saying that the condition of our parts is better than described!
Take care and God bless y'all!
Thank you for the emails letting me know about this thread. I feel that I must say something.
We used to get "fished" all the time about full auto stuff. Since we put up that notice we don't anymore. People wanting full auto parts, Full auto receivers. advice on how to make a weapon full auto...etc......... They wasted our precious time and we will not under any circumstances have anything to do with any illegal weapon of any sort. You wouldn't believe the stupidity sometimes! And sometimes it was guys that just needed to know if what they have is FA or not and legal. They're no problem and we are here to help and/or refer them to where they need to go to get the help they need if we can.
To build any FA weapon under anything but a class 7 SOT for LE and government contracts is a class 2 (IIRC) federal felony. I don't make the rules. To make any weapon into full auto is also a no no without that SOT. I love my freedom and I love what I do. I don't want to endanger that. I especially don't want to endanger my families security!
If you feel that this statement on my home page is offensive. Well....So be it! We don't have the time for all the BS fishing expeditions. We have real customers to serve that are deserving of every minute we spend to help them. They are what we are here for. Not for FA wannabe's that are willing to break the law and go to prison.
I stand by what I say:
"Friends don't let friends build ILLEGAL Machine guns!" Period!
Thank you for all the kind words and support guys! We serve the best customers in the world and we are proud to serve you!
BTW- The NRA condition guidelines don't have anything about refurbished or refinished parts. Since the great majority of our parts are refinished/refurbished we use the "Outstanding" and "Like new" descriptions. We have yet to have anybody that has received these parts disagree with the description or performance of these parts. In fact we have gotten lots of responses saying that the condition of our parts is better than described!
Take care and God bless y'all!
See, that's the beauty of living in the Untited States.
He can print whatever he wants to on his website and tell me to go pound sand.
And I can choose to spend my money with pro-freedom companies that support all gun owners rights.
He doesn't care, and neither do I.
I am getting ready to start my latest FAL project with one of those Imbel kits everone is selling. The kit has been sitting there for a month or two . Time to get started.
I just bought $522.29 worth of DSA stuff.
He can print whatever he wants to on his website and tell me to go pound sand.
And I can choose to spend my money with pro-freedom companies that support all gun owners rights.
He doesn't care, and neither do I.
I am getting ready to start my latest FAL project with one of those Imbel kits everone is selling. The kit has been sitting there for a month or two . Time to get started.
I just bought $522.29 worth of DSA stuff.
Bwana John
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After you climb down from your high horse, you might want to check out to see if DSA is also "violating" your "rights". Looks like DSA wont sell you parts for ILLEGAL machine guns either!
"#693 Safety Sear, FAX COPY OF NFA TRANSFER $7.00"
Welcome to THR, Jame aka Gunpartsguy.
New guy usually buys the ammo, but in your case you could just "give stuff away for free"
Is part of the problem with FALs is that it used to be very easy to build a selective fire gun from surplus parts and early imported recievers?
Also, doesn't it take fewer parts to be compliant on a FAL than the standard parts count?
BTW, I've bought from James before and he was outstanding.
New guy usually buys the ammo, but in your case you could just "give stuff away for free"
Is part of the problem with FALs is that it used to be very easy to build a selective fire gun from surplus parts and early imported recievers?
Also, doesn't it take fewer parts to be compliant on a FAL than the standard parts count?
BTW, I've bought from James before and he was outstanding.
No, it's just that the FAL doesn't have certain parts that are classified by ATF as being EFGP (Evil Foreign Gun Parts), as opposed to the AK and SKS. From Tapco's site:
Basically, 922r-compliance says that a maximum of 10 foreign-made parts on that list are allowed - period.
Basically, 922r-compliance says that a maximum of 10 foreign-made parts on that list are allowed - period.
Gunpartsguy
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To be FA.......FAL's need to have the sear cut in the upper receiver. This alone is considered a machine gun by the ATF. To make FAL full auto you need the upper sear cut, An FA ejector block, the safety sear and spring. And an FA selector.
Thanks for posting that 922 R compliance list Andy. That should help a lot of folks out.
I never told you to pound sand 444. If building illegal machine guns is your thing. You go right ahead. It's none of my business. As far as stating that we are not pro freedom........ You have no idea what your talking about at all. Your making snap judgments about things you obviously do not understand. And probably never will until you drop the emotions and look at the facts.
We are a player in this market. We have to protect not only our own rights. But our way of life.....Our way of feeding our family and paying the bills. We have more to risk than you can loose.
I never stated that those that buy FA parts are criminals. Never. Registered FA's do need parts sometimes. But because we're in a state that outlaws even the FA parts we don't stock or sell them. We had a problem with people asking how to build FA weapons and if we had the parts. The only reason they would ask is because they are contemplating building an illegal FA weapon. Period. Whether they knew it is illegal or not is not the issue. The fact that it IS illegal is the issue and we will not go down because of some idiot, state DOJ or ATF guy trying to take us down.
Your not coming to us for parts is proof that the statement works. The trolls and idiots go somewhere else. We have a fantastic customer base of intelligent, hard working, honest and law abiding citizens that believe in freedom. You are not one of those 444. Your trouble with two legs and a mouth. I don't beat around the bush and throw hints. Now I say it plain and clear. Pound sand 444. We don't want or need your money.
Thanks for posting that 922 R compliance list Andy. That should help a lot of folks out.
I never told you to pound sand 444. If building illegal machine guns is your thing. You go right ahead. It's none of my business. As far as stating that we are not pro freedom........ You have no idea what your talking about at all. Your making snap judgments about things you obviously do not understand. And probably never will until you drop the emotions and look at the facts.
We are a player in this market. We have to protect not only our own rights. But our way of life.....Our way of feeding our family and paying the bills. We have more to risk than you can loose.
I never stated that those that buy FA parts are criminals. Never. Registered FA's do need parts sometimes. But because we're in a state that outlaws even the FA parts we don't stock or sell them. We had a problem with people asking how to build FA weapons and if we had the parts. The only reason they would ask is because they are contemplating building an illegal FA weapon. Period. Whether they knew it is illegal or not is not the issue. The fact that it IS illegal is the issue and we will not go down because of some idiot, state DOJ or ATF guy trying to take us down.
Your not coming to us for parts is proof that the statement works. The trolls and idiots go somewhere else. We have a fantastic customer base of intelligent, hard working, honest and law abiding citizens that believe in freedom. You are not one of those 444. Your trouble with two legs and a mouth. I don't beat around the bush and throw hints. Now I say it plain and clear. Pound sand 444. We don't want or need your money.
ny32182
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GPG,
While myself and many others have a great deal of respect for your input and time spent on FALfiles, I doubt I'm the only one who has a good deal of respect for 444's opinion on this forum. His FAL collection would put most of ours to shame as well as his collection of other rifles and legal class III items. I for one have observed his input here long enough to feel confident that he has no interest in ever purchasing or building anything illegal. If you guys can't do business, that is fine and is the American way, but when the insults come out, people's reputations can start to get tarnished both ways. For what its worth. -ny
While myself and many others have a great deal of respect for your input and time spent on FALfiles, I doubt I'm the only one who has a good deal of respect for 444's opinion on this forum. His FAL collection would put most of ours to shame as well as his collection of other rifles and legal class III items. I for one have observed his input here long enough to feel confident that he has no interest in ever purchasing or building anything illegal. If you guys can't do business, that is fine and is the American way, but when the insults come out, people's reputations can start to get tarnished both ways. For what its worth. -ny
Well, here's my opinion - I believe the initial confrontation was more from a perceived insult rather than an intentional one and no amount of talking would persuade the member that this was not the case.
There are some who are overly-quick to feel insulted when no such thing was ever meant and once their position is taken, ego gets involved and they will never back down and say "Oh, I took it the wrong way - so sorry".
Too bad.
There are some who are overly-quick to feel insulted when no such thing was ever meant and once their position is taken, ego gets involved and they will never back down and say "Oh, I took it the wrong way - so sorry".
Too bad.
evan price
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Well spoken GPG. Welcome to THR.
Gunpartsguy
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ny32182- I hear you. But we have discovered that if we sit back and ignore attacks on our business it gets blown out of proportion over a very short time. This guy basically accused us of interfering with his freedom by our statement on our home page. He stated that by protecting our business from legal liabilities and from being fished by government agencies and troublemakers that we told him to "pound sand". Regardless of his history here I can't abide the things he said about us, our business and how we do it. Our reputation is stainless. If somebody has a complaint about our service, parts, customer care or anything that is based on the truth.....we will take care of them to our best ability. Our reputation is for doing exactly that. Somebody that attacks us like this with snap judgements and accusations deserves to be spat upon. And then directly told to "pound sand".
His baseless opinion on this matter shows that he does not understand the intricacies of running a biz like ours and what we go through to stay alive and well. To say the things he said and hint at other things that he did is a direct attempt to take food off our families dinner table! That is not a very nice thing to do. We will not sit by any more and have such things said about us. We have done no such thing to him or anybody and did not deserve his attack on us. He could keep his mouth shut and just move on. We have been attacked many times by people that had absolutely no basis in truth to their accusations or opinions. He is entitled to his uneducated and baseless opinion. We are entitled to defend our way of life and our families security any way we deem necessary.
We serve the best customer base there is and are proud of it. People that say things like he has said we don't want to serve. They can take their money and their trouble making ways else wear.
IT IS ILLEGAL TO BUILD MACHINE GUNS OTHER THAN FOR LE AND GOVERNMENT. YOU MUST BE A CLASS 7 FFL WITH AN SOT TO DO SO. IT IS ILLEGAL IN OUR STATE TO POSSES ANY FA SPECIFIC PARTS. IF HE NEEDS FA SPECIFIC PARTS BECAUSE HE HAS LEGAL FA WEAPONS THEN HE KNOWS WHERE TO GET THEM. WE DIDN'T MAKE THESE STUPID LAWS! WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO PRISON AND LOSE OUR WAY OF LIFE!
WHY ATTACK US???????????????? WHY?????? WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HIM!!!!!!!! A RETRACTION AND AN APOLOGY IS IN ORDER. IS 444 MAN ENOUGH TO DO SO???????
Thank you Andy, hso, evan, Bwana and the others for the welcome. I'm sorry to have had to start out this way here. It's a very nice board.
His baseless opinion on this matter shows that he does not understand the intricacies of running a biz like ours and what we go through to stay alive and well. To say the things he said and hint at other things that he did is a direct attempt to take food off our families dinner table! That is not a very nice thing to do. We will not sit by any more and have such things said about us. We have done no such thing to him or anybody and did not deserve his attack on us. He could keep his mouth shut and just move on. We have been attacked many times by people that had absolutely no basis in truth to their accusations or opinions. He is entitled to his uneducated and baseless opinion. We are entitled to defend our way of life and our families security any way we deem necessary.
We serve the best customer base there is and are proud of it. People that say things like he has said we don't want to serve. They can take their money and their trouble making ways else wear.
IT IS ILLEGAL TO BUILD MACHINE GUNS OTHER THAN FOR LE AND GOVERNMENT. YOU MUST BE A CLASS 7 FFL WITH AN SOT TO DO SO. IT IS ILLEGAL IN OUR STATE TO POSSES ANY FA SPECIFIC PARTS. IF HE NEEDS FA SPECIFIC PARTS BECAUSE HE HAS LEGAL FA WEAPONS THEN HE KNOWS WHERE TO GET THEM. WE DIDN'T MAKE THESE STUPID LAWS! WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO PRISON AND LOSE OUR WAY OF LIFE!
WHY ATTACK US???????????????? WHY?????? WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HIM!!!!!!!! A RETRACTION AND AN APOLOGY IS IN ORDER. IS 444 MAN ENOUGH TO DO SO???????
Thank you Andy, hso, evan, Bwana and the others for the welcome. I'm sorry to have had to start out this way here. It's a very nice board.
Ian Sean
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I think this needs to be re-iterated.
The state of Washington prohibits any and ALL FA parts
Somehow this must be your fault GPG.
The state of Washington prohibits any and ALL FA parts
Somehow this must be your fault GPG.
mmike87
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But building a FA weapon in his state IS against the law - it IS true for HIS business in HIS state. He responded to your concerns and explained that he has been approached numerous times by folks looking for him to sell FA parts to them. Blame his extra degree of caution on the ATF and his state legislature.
I personally don't see anything that suggests that GPG personally objects to lawful ownership of FA weapons by those who live in states where they are entitled to do so. Unfortunately for all of us, he doesn't live in such a state.
I originally suggested GPG as a vendor because of my own, very positive buying experience with him, not to mention a pretty much unanimous following of happy folks at FAL Files. I was most impressed with the immediate shipping of exactly what I wanted, and the fact that I received the item in only a couple of days, from WA to VA.
GPG - sorry if this thread degraded into something other than a positive experience.
Gunpartsguy
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Thank you Mike and Ian......The support here from you and others takes some of the sting out of it. It's good to know that there are such good folks out there...Does my heart good!
Mumbles_45
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Goodness, I go to the mountains for the weekend and my thread certainly goes wild. Well, I for one am not offended by your disclaimer, and you should be getting my order for a '249 pistol grip and recoil buffer next payday. Also I looked on your site for a 2 piece firing pin, as I heard that the one piece ones are prone to breaking and causing kBs, but didn't see any. Do you sell them and I just didn't look hard enough, or does anyone have any suggestions as to where to find a 2 piece firing pin, or am I just being paranoid about the pin breaking and causing the rifle to fire out of battery and I should forget about 2 piece firing pins altogether?
Gunpartsguy
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Hi Mumbles! Sorry for the hijacking of your thread. Please forgive.
Inch bolts all (With extremely few exceptions) have 2 pc FP's. Metric bolts (With few exceptions) have 1pc FP's. The 1pc FP breaking is kinda rare. But does happen. Inch and metric FP's are not interchangable. Only DSA has the 2pc FP's for metrics AFAIK. Good investment in the long run. keep the extra FP for a backup JIC. I don't know about broken FPs causing KB's in FAL's. But I know of at least one case where the FP spring broke and caused FA slam fire.
Thank you for the biz sir! It's our pleasure to serve you!
Inch bolts all (With extremely few exceptions) have 2 pc FP's. Metric bolts (With few exceptions) have 1pc FP's. The 1pc FP breaking is kinda rare. But does happen. Inch and metric FP's are not interchangable. Only DSA has the 2pc FP's for metrics AFAIK. Good investment in the long run. keep the extra FP for a backup JIC. I don't know about broken FPs causing KB's in FAL's. But I know of at least one case where the FP spring broke and caused FA slam fire.
Thank you for the biz sir! It's our pleasure to serve you!
Stinkyshoe
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1 piece firing pins do break. I do believe that mine breaking was the first one GPG had heard about. The darn thing kept working though. I didn't know it was broken until the metal had pinged itself short enough to no longer be long enough to hit the firing pin hard enough.
I can not speak highly enough of James and the crew. I am so happy that I found his business through FAL files. What a great man! I couldn't think of anyone I know who is more pro-freedom and pro-2A.
I can not speak highly enough of James and the crew. I am so happy that I found his business through FAL files. What a great man! I couldn't think of anyone I know who is more pro-freedom and pro-2A.
Bwana John
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I had a metric (Imbel), 1 piece firing pin break also. It almost caused a out of battery ignition with the tip of the broken firing pin stuck protruding out the bolt face. A cartrige did not feed correctly, as I worked the bolt to try to clear the jam, the primer ignited and "popped" out of the case and fell into the action... the powder didnt ignite It was a berdan primed round of "Port" surplus. My lucky day!
DSA sells replacement metric 2 piece ones. I think they are Isreali(?)
Or GPG will has a weekend sale for both inch bolt AND inch bolt
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-complete, refinished, (with the 2 piece pins)... $30 for FAL files members!!!
It was a berdan primed round of "Port" surplus. My lucky day!DSA sells replacement metric 2 piece ones. I think they are Isreali(?)
Or GPG will has a weekend sale for both inch bolt AND inch bolt
carrier
-complete, refinished, (with the 2 piece pins)... $30 for FAL files members!!!I'm another satisified customer of GPG, I ordered a assembled and refinished kit from him. The bipod had a defective part, I notified him and got the part a few days later. The shipping time for the original kit was the fastest I have received yet.
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"While myself and many others have a great deal of respect for your input and time spent on FALfiles, I doubt I'm the only one who has a good deal of respect for 444's opinion on this forum. His FAL collection would put most of ours to shame as well as his collection of other rifles and legal class III items. I for one have observed his input here long enough to feel confident that he has no interest in ever purchasing or building anything illegal. If you guys can't do business, that is fine and is the American way, but when the insults come out, people's reputations can start to get tarnished both ways. For what its worth. -ny"
ny - Insult a mans love of Freedom and Liberty in America and getting told to "go pound sand" is getting off light in my opinion.
Dont know much about FALs but it looks like you did good Mumbles, Congrats
ny - Insult a mans love of Freedom and Liberty in America and getting told to "go pound sand" is getting off light in my opinion.
Dont know much about FALs but it looks like you did good Mumbles, Congrats
ny32182
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Yeah, well... you've got the right to vote with your dollars like everyone else. Way to drag this crap back up.
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