Faster than a speeding bullet!

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PennsyPlinker

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We were cleaning out a storage room in the house, and came across some pictures that never made it onto the walls when we moved. Below is one of them. This is an unretouched photo taken back in 1985. It has suffered the ravages of time, including getting wet at one point, so that the emulsion on the paper is welded to the glass of the frame. The story behind it is below.

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Right after Mrs. Plinker and I got married, we bought a house. At the time we had no children, so we converted our spare bedroom into a darkroom for black and white photography. We also made friends with some folks at our church who were of the same age. My friend Mike and I would get together on Sunday afternoons after church and shoot in his backyard. Eventually he and his wife bought a house in town just about a mile down the road from us. We were still close, but we lost our shooting range, and with it our Sunday afternoon past time.

One day in church, Mike came up to me and asked me what I thought about trying to take a picture of a bullet coming out of a gun. We both knew it had been done, but we were poor, low tech kind of guys, so we didn't have the fancy stuff that other photographers had access to. We discussed the problem over the next few weeks, and came up with various solutions. We were attempting to bring together the desire to do something really cool with our love for shooting, my photographic experience, and his studies in electrical engineering.

We would come home from church, swallow our lunches whole, and I would race down to his house. We would then set things up in his basement, run our experiment with a roll of film, jump in our cars and race back to my house to develop the film. If we did well, we could be hanging the film up to dry and still have enough time to eat dinner and make it back for the evening service. Our first few attempts were failures, but we were having a blast (so to speak) and we kept on trying. This picture was the end result of several weeks of experiments.

The successful combination worked out this way. Mike built an electrical circuit using an LED that would trip the flash of my camera any time the beam of light was broken. We set the flash at its lowest power setting, which according to the information printed on its side gave a flash duration of 1/23,500 sec. the flash and camera were set up on a tripod off to the side of the shooting booth, which was a bench with the LED poking up through a black cloth, and a backstop full of rags. Our light source, which can be seen in the picture, was a penlight with a plumbing fitting over the end to restrict the spread of light.

The gun was a .357 magnum, loaded with light loads to slow the bullet down as much as possible. To get each shot, Mike would aim the gun at the box of rags, with the barrel lined up so that the bullet would pass over the LED. One he was braced and ready to go, I would turn out the lights, and open the shutter on the camera. He would fire the gun, I would close the shutter and turn on the lights, and then we would repeat the process. We shot an entire roll of film, and raced to the darkroom at my house to develop it. Prints were made later on that week for anyone who wanted one. What you see above was the best of several shots, in more ways than one.

Of course, some people did not believe us. They accused of us hanging the bullet from a string, and other fanciful ideas that sprang into their heads. They could not conceive that two kids could do such a thing with low tech methods. But we didn't care. We had lots of fun. We also had big plans of photographing bullets going through apples, cutting cards in half, and improving the image in all sorts of ways. But advanced education, little babies, and all the other cares of life got in the way, and this was the last time we ever got to shoot in his basement. Not long afterward our darkroom came down to make way for a nursery, and it has not been resurrected to this day. I may never make another shot like this again, but I am glad I have this one. I hope that anyone here reading this finds it enjoyable, and if there are any questions, I will be glad to try and answer them. Who knows if someone else out there can duplicate this and do even better with some of the stuff available today!
 
WOW!!! Totally awesome:D:D

Talking about legacy right there.

You know what time is it now Pennsyplinker?

Time to take these photos to a professional restoration expert and have them laminated or encapsulated, after the water damage has been repaired.

Whoever said you have to be a professional to get professional results? Your contraption is totally original, and I don't think even professionals would think about building something like that, since they always buy whatever they need. Necessity is the mother of invention, and this old quote has been proven correct again.
 
The picture is probably not ruined. You can let it soak for a good while in clean water until it slides off the glass. You can then put it emulsion down on a piece of waxed glass and roller-squeegee it down flat, where it will stick until dry, when it will come off the waxed glass easily.

(I can't remember what the sheets of enameled steel was which photogs used to dry prints in this way. "Tintype sheet" comes to mind, but I'm sure that's not right. It's been a long time since I did silver emulsion photography.)

Lest anyone else doubt that your picture is possible, I did much the same thing with a .22, but by shooting through two sheets of aluminum foil connected as a switch to the flash input. I was never sure whether the concussion of the muzzle blast shorted the two sheets together, or the bullet did, but it worked... with quite a bit of fussin' around.

Your pic is better than any of mine.

Congrats!
 
No smoke? Even the lightest loads will smoke to some degree. With the bullet less than 5" from the muzzle, it will still be shrouded in hot gas and smoke, and there will indeed be a ring of gas/smoke at the cylinder gap. Plus, as clear as the bullet is in focus, there is no rifling or soot on it.

I call shens.:uhoh:
 
Sure looks like there's smoke/gas around the cylinder gap to me...
You would not see light (the backdrop sheet) through the gap. The gray smudge ahead of the cylinder, is soot on the frame. The muzzle is absolutely clean and clear.

The light lines from the muzzle to the base of the bullet are also quite suspicious, as if a glass or lexan rod is being used. If the lines are supposed to be the "ghost" image of the moving bullet, then the bullet itself would be a terrible blur with such a slow speed film used.

Notice the rifling on the bullet......none on the OP's bullet:
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Sealed chamber semi-auto, yet some gas and smoke is escaping. Notice the bullet has not exited, yet gas and smoke have already escaped the muzzle:
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Still shens.
 
as clear as the bullet is in focus, there is no rifling or soot on it.

The bullet is not focused enough to be able to see rifling on it. Pistol rifling is much more shallow than that of a rifle.
 
Army said:
No smoke? Even the lightest loads will smoke to some degree. With the bullet less than 5" from the muzzle, it will still be shrouded in hot gas and smoke, and there will indeed be a ring of gas/smoke at the cylinder gap. Plus, as clear as the bullet is in focus, there is no rifling or soot on it.

I call shens.

Call whatever you want. I was there, I did it. You weren't. Of course, I knew before I posted this that someone would show up to try and stir the pot somehow.
 
One of my favorite Biblical characters is "Doubting Thomas."

However, I have personally done something similar to this and it is certainly possible in the garage-laboratory.

One question I had was whether it was really an LED which was used as a sensor. I believe it might have actually been a light activated silicon controlled rectifier (LASCR) which were readily available and cheap back then. As far as I know, they aren't avaliable anymore since everyone uses photodiodes in this kind of application nowadays. However, this could easily be a forgiveable error in reporting. Nowadays, when people think "light" and "diode" in the same concept, it comes out as "LED."

The other question I had was that sometimes in these high-speed photographs there is a slight afterglow when a flash is triggered which results in a slight "trace" of an image in front of the moving object as the light dies down. There was none in this image, but it could simply be due to the light background and the fact that the flash was pretty lightly loaded and quite possibly "quenched" by the flashgun circuitry, thereby eliminating the afterglow.

I note that the smoke in the automatic being fired was probably from a full house load, whereas the OP reported that the .38 load was pretty light. I would not consider the lack of smoke as a clue to OP's veracity.

In addition, it is apparent that the auto's photograph was taken with full-blown high-speed photographic equipment with a large depth of field, where smoke would easily be captured by the camera. This might not be the case with the equipment the OP described.

I've done my share of doctoring photographs (I had full wet-darkroom setups at various times in my life), and while I and we may be being played for fools, my "take" is that the photograph is perfectly feasible using "primitive" equipment such as described and can reasonably be taken at face value.

Except for the "LED," as I mentioned.

--Terry, wd0xxx
 
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230RN, I appreciate your comments. All I know is what my buddy Mike called it (the LED). He was the electronics guy who built the thing. As far as trying to fool people, I have nothing to gain, and no reason for doing so. This was a fun thing we did almost 25 years ago, and when I rediscovered the picture, I thought it, along with the process, might be of interest to fellow gun enthusiasts. I keep forgetting about the mentality of a lot of the people who post here (not aimed at you). Once again I find myself regretting posting on this board.
 
Don't sweat it, Pennsy. You know you're gonna have people like that on any board out there. Its called noise. You learn to ignore it.

I and I'm sure many other people here figured the same thing you just said; What would you have to gain by faking it?

Judging by your posts, you never struck me as one who brags about things or has to be the guy who one-ups everyone, so the thought of you faking the pic just to post something cool never really crossed my mind.

Good pic and an even better story to go with it. I agree that you should look into getting it restored. It'll be a neat thing to show the grandkids someday.

Oh, and BTW Army, if you look closely at the picture, you CAN see rifling marks on the bullet.
 
Gosh guys! I started reading the posts about the picture and found myself wondering why all the bashing? The guy simply shared something and whether you believe all of it is always in question on anything you ever do in life. Seems like the more someone bares himself on THR, the more he is subject to bashing and undue criticism. Are we just as bad as the media we complain about so much? Just an observation here not meant to overtake the original posting by Pennsyplinker.
 
Cool picture, very cool background story. I would definately look at getting that restored by a professional.

Also don't worry about the bashing. I have found through life that those that have a hard time trusting others are usually not to be trusted themselves.
 
Nah, don't worry about it. It's healthy to have Doubting Thomases around, but I wouldn't take other comments as an "attack." Regard it as just discussing the possibilities involved --again, a healthy thing, expecially in this mileau, where we gunnies are constantly assaulted by anti-gun liars and we constantly have to pick apart their assertions.

Oops, that's not exactly High Road. Make that "anti-gun prevaricators,"

As I said, personal experience indicates that your photo is perfectly possible as you described it.
 
Great Photo My sister do them and had a dark room (I never have done anything in it) but she has shown me some cool pics like that (fast moving things ) so I know it can be done. If you get it fixed I would like to see it after you are done.
Don't worry about the bashing.
John
 
Cool pic! I've tried to do the same thing using my cheapo digital camera... lol, so far non luck. I have been able to get a couple of clay pidgeons as they are hit, but not very clear.

I'd definitely get it restored. That'd be a great conversation peace for your personal gun/reloading room :)
 
Bashing? Hardly. You claimed fact...I pointed out obvious inconsistencies, and posted what high speed photography actually shows under strobes. Heck, even airguns show some vapor cloud.

You have a complete lack of gas or debris exiting the cylinder gap or muzzle. I see no markings on the bullet other than light reflections. Even the "flight lines" have no twist to them.

Not Doubting Thomas, but perhaps Reality Randy :D
 
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Don't sweat it, Pennsy. You know you're gonna have people like that on any board out there. Its called noise. You learn to ignore it.

Thanks Mr. White, and also you other guys, for your responses. I know what you mean about the "noise". I guess I am an idealist of sorts, thinking if I explain myself clearly, that is all it should take.

230RN, I don't mind people asking questions, or even disagreeing. But I do take it as an attack when someone pretty much calls me a liar, which is exactly what "Army" was doing.

Owens, I am sure I have the negative somewhere. Somewhere. We own 5 1/2 acres and there are a total of 14 buildings on that property (old farm). So there is no telling where that negative might be. But I am watching out for it! :D
 
What a great story. I can imagine how you felt when you found the photo after all of these years. It's obvious it was a special event in your life.

Ignore the naysayers. I say hang the picture where you will frequently see it and be reminded of a great accomplishment.
 
Awesome photo! I'm impressed. Get it restored and remember, "Ilegitimi non carborundum" . . . (even if it's only "psuedo-Latin", in case somebody carps about this phrase). Well done, Penns & a treasure.
 
Never called you a liar. I only pointed out the obvious. Call me noise, call me a doubter...I only call'em as I see, or do not see, 'em.

Granted, I'm no photographer. However, I absolutely do know what happens when a gun fires....and your photo just does not show that.
 
Cool photo, Pennsy - thanks for posting it.

Great science project... the kind of thing I used to do in my youth, before job, family, and a million other responsibilities took over my life :)

As for the local noise sources... and those who claim "absolute" knowledge... well, my regard for them is anything but High Road and shall remain unwritten.
 
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