D.B. Cooper
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That's good ammo. And the HST, which is similar.158gr Federal Hydra Shock
That's good ammo. And the HST, which is similar.158gr Federal Hydra Shock
I'd even take a stout, true magnum load of .357 over a shotgun with typical shells.
I didn't say it couldn't be done. But I want a hardcast or full copper bullet with a wide meplat over a standard 12ga slug.I'm not sure about that. 12 ga slugs are often considered the gold standard for bear defense. I think it depends on your needs. I would prefer a "stout, true magnum load of .357 over a shotgun" if I didn't want the bulk, weight, and inconvenience of a shotgun. (But I agree with your having referenced 44 loads-I'd prefer a 44 for a "woods gun" over a 357.)
I wasn't aware they made the 125 gr in a JSP. 158 sure, but not the 125 I do know the 125 gr sjhp trucks along pretty well. A couple of years ago, I was shooting at an indoor range, I had a mossberg 500 with 00 buck and a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 with a 5 inch barrel. Two elderly ladies got there with what I assume were some sort of .22 Browning Buckmark or Ruger Mark (whatever number they're onto by now) don't know couldn't tell. I was shooting those 125 gr loads and causing a ruckus. They were in the stall next to me and lasted maybe 7 min before they just packed up and left. I wasn't onto why until I stepped out. They were sitting outside at a table in the lobby when one of them said "the a**h*** is done we can shoot now" whether I was being the word they accused me of I don't know. To me the range should be expected to be loud, oh well.For me, the Remington-UMC 125 gr JSP is the liveliest .357 round I've shot out of my Ruger GP-100s. In my GP-100 with a 6" barrel, I chronoed it at an average of 1,625 fps. I shot it at a Birchwood Casey metal spinning target at 15 yards and got a visible crater on the front side of the plate and a noticeable bump on the back side. The damn thing spun six or seven times. I suspect that if you shot this through a 16" to 18" barrel carbine, you would get over 2,000 fps which is into 7.62 x 39 territory.
I've shot this round indoors at a practice session through my 4.2" barrel GP-100 Match Champion and the bystanders were impressed by the muzzle flash, the B/C gap flash, and the concussion of the round. For me, 24 to 30 rounds of this load is enough for one practice session.
Sounds to me like they need to double up, muffs and plugs if they are noise sensitive. You must be a real jerk for shooting your new gun.....in a caliber that's allowed at the range...where you paid your own hard earned money....I wasn't aware they made the 125 gr in a JSP. 158 sure, but not the 125 I do know the 125 gr sjhp trucks along pretty well. A couple of years ago, I was shooting at an indoor range, I had a mossberg 500 with 00 buck and a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 with a 5 inch barrel. Two elderly ladies got there with what I assume were some sort of .22 Browning Buckmark or Ruger Mark (whatever number they're onto by now) don't know couldn't tell. I was shooting those 125 gr loads and causing a ruckus. They were in the stall next to me and lasted maybe 7 min before they just packed up and left. I wasn't onto why until I stepped out. They were sitting outside at a table in the lobby when one of them said "the a**h*** is done we can shoot now" whether I was being the word they accused me of I don't know. To me the range should be expected to be loud, oh well.
Imagine their faces if I went back in with a short barreled .44 or .454 that would definitely make em leave.Sounds to me like they need to double up, muffs and plugs if they are noise sensitive. You must be a real jerk for shooting your new gun.....in a caliber that's allowed at the range...where you paid your own hard earned money....
Sorry, didnt see this. I absolutely think the 12 ga with appropriate slugs can work. I should've worded this better. How many appropriate slugs are in use? Not talking about off the shelf Winchester and remington there have been reports (Know Jim Cirillo filed a few) where shotgun slugs would glance off a human skull at the right angle. If your talking brenneke' or a modern maker that makes some hardcore slugs than go for it but with typical slugs I stand by the "I'll take the sixgun anyday"Cowboy,
I figured that. When I lived up in Canada, the farmers had a very real possibility of running into a brown bear, their weapon of choice a NON HUNTING ENCOUNTER was a cruiser style pump shotgun with slugs.
A 1 ounce or heavier slug compared to a half ounce revolver round or even a 2/3 ounce revolver round does not sound like a good choice to me when dealing with a grizzly, but to each his own.
Jim
Sounds to me like they need to double up, muffs and plugs if they are noise sensitive. You must be a real jerk for shooting your new gun.....in a caliber that's allowed at the range...where you paid your own hard earned money....