Stevie-Ray
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Yup, she's still smokin, much like Lauren Bacall was all the way into her 70s.
Favorite "gun" scene in a movie?
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Actually...speaking as a retired Chief Petty Officer...
Those battleships ain't moving sideways, even when they fire a 9 round broadside. Pictures which people typically point to as proof that they move are actually showing the effects of the shockwave on the water as it ripples out across the water and along the hull of the ship.
I use to believe it when people said "those old battleships would move 3 feet sideways when they fired all nine big guns", but it simply ain't true.
Just sayin'...
You're absolutely correct. The laws of physics agree with you too. Thanks for continuing to fight this myth!
SharpsDressedMan
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You wouldn't believe how naughty she was when she was younger. Look it up. Then you'll REALLY need a cold shower!
borrowedtime69
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I give you Dame Helen Mirren in all her deadly sexy goodness:
Blackstone
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And a tactical reload too!
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jakk280rem
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Good flick. I like the scene in the hotel room. "On second thought, take th gun".
JoelSteinbach
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Politically correct Dirty Harry, "make my day"
WALKERs210
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Retired Chief I understand that the ship does not move like it looks like with all the fire and smoke. It will rock your world until you have to reload and drop anothr 9 rds on a bad guy's handout...Just the thought of one of those things coming close is enough to make a solider dig his holl a lot deeper and faster than he knew he could. Still watching the boradside go will make you forget that cup of coffee you were on the way to get.
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Snowkiwi
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I agree with Midwest, gotta be Clint Eastwood!!!
The Dirty Harry scene tops my list....
" I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five'? Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, i kind of lost track myself. But being that this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do ya, punk?"
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The Dirty Harry scene tops my list....
" I know what you're thinking. 'Did he fire six shots or only five'? Well to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, i kind of lost track myself. But being that this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do ya, punk?"
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Simplest part of the equation looks like this: Steel-lined hole in the water equal to 100,000# of seawater versus 18,000# (9 x 2000#) projectiles.
There's a bit more three-dimensional math in there, too. Like averaging the height of the trunnions are vice the center of buoyancy (a moment arm the ship designers spent some time ciphering). There's the vector math in that the ship is underway to at least steerageway speed. This is significant to the physics as you are creating a compressed laminar flow around the underwater body of the ship. It's significant in that, underway, the hull structure and bilge keels are acting to keep the ship stable in longitudinal and roll axes.
Range on the guns was only about 40,000 yards--20 miles' in round numbers--still a long reach. In the mid-60s they developed a RAP (Rocket-Assisted Projectile) which added another 8-10,000 yards--5 miles, round numbers) to the range. But, at a significantly lower CEP.
It's good to remember that the guns were built for a CEP of battleship/2. That's butting 50% of rounds fired into an ellipse 4-500 feet long, 50-60 feet wide and 25-50 feet tall; and a 100% CEP of 8-900 x 100-150 x 50-75 feet. (This makes for complicated MOA conversions, as the rounds are larger than MOA put to 2000 yards or so--especially since there was some design intent to disperse the rounds into the CEP ellipse on purpose.)
Those barrels were "clocked" too--the liners were only rated to about 900 rounds fired before they were too eroded.
I think my favorite is the final showdown in Once Upon a Time in the West. I also really liked the final showdown in The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly. Michael Mann has done a lot of good ones too.
I saw a pretty impressive French film the other day called Intimate Enemies, which I think is worth mentioning. It is about the Algerian War and has several guerrilla warfare ambushes in it.
I saw a pretty impressive French film the other day called Intimate Enemies, which I think is worth mentioning. It is about the Algerian War and has several guerrilla warfare ambushes in it.
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A fair question.
The answer is, for all intents and purposes, "zero". If you want to consider a fraction of an inch (or, in the words of one site on the subject, a fraction of a millimeter) when compared to the overall length of the ship, which for an Iowa Class was 887 feet.
Take a gander through these sites:
http://www.supertightstuff.com/03/19/pictures/picture-of-the-day-pictures/potd-battleship-broadside/
http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-022.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/que_pasa/Broadside.html
If the ship were "on ice" (meaning a frictionless surface), then the maximum lateral velocity that could be imparted on the ship would be 6.3 INCHES per second for a full broadside, assuming the guns were fired parallel to the water.
However, a ship that masses 57,000 tons and is 887 feet long resting in water will have that movement checked by the full mass of the water on the opposite side of the ship. So actual lateral movement from the broadside would effectively be nil.
This IS a good question. But the answer most people are given to believe (that the ship moves several feet sideways on a broadside) is totally incorrect.
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True romance
Not sure if anybody mentioned True Romance yet, but there are at least two decent gunfights in the movie. The first was when the Christian Slater character has it out with a pimp, and the second was toward the end with a free for all between the cops, mercenaries, Italian hitmen, and Christian Slater.
Not sure if anybody mentioned True Romance yet, but there are at least two decent gunfights in the movie. The first was when the Christian Slater character has it out with a pimp, and the second was toward the end with a free for all between the cops, mercenaries, Italian hitmen, and Christian Slater.
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USS Johnston
Also, while not in a movie, or tv show, but rather a history channel special on the USS Johnston vs the main Japanese during WW II, this was literally a big gun battle that had me standing on my toes because of the shear balls of steel that Cmdr. Evans had for fighting significantly more powerful enemy ships.
Also, while not in a movie, or tv show, but rather a history channel special on the USS Johnston vs the main Japanese during WW II, this was literally a big gun battle that had me standing on my toes because of the shear balls of steel that Cmdr. Evans had for fighting significantly more powerful enemy ships.
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Sorry, I glazed right over your comment!
I agree...a battleship broadside is truely one of the most impressive displays of awesomeness when it comes to firepower.
And there are two entirely different perspectives on that awesomeness...from the delivery end and from the receiving end.
Yeah that movie really draws you in and it so quiet threw most of the movie and you tend to turn up your sound to hear all the dialog and when he fires off that first blast its an eye opener for sure. I wasnt expecting it but i couldnt help but laugh.
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