FBI arrests 21 at SHOT 2010 Show

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kingpin008 said:
Oh, right. Suddenly Obama is powerful enough to telepathically induce grown adults to willingly break the law.

Get real. Believe it or not, every bad thing that happens in the world is not Obama's fault, as much as you want it to be.
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Good luck preaching that here. I think it's funny that businessmen breaking the law is somehow blamed on anything but businessmen breaking the law. It's just one of those things I guess.

As for everyone bribes and it is what businesses do blah blah. It's like speeding, 50 people on the highway doing 75mph in a 65mph zone, you may be the only one pulled over but you knew you were breaking the rules when you did it.

If you want to avoid being busted, don't break the law, even if others are.
 
Traditionally, sales men, middlemen, brokers, finders, deal-smoothers, 'Agents', Consultents, information-providers, in pretty well all walks of Life and of Commerce, get 'Commissions' or 'Consideration' financially or otherwise for Services Rendered.


How or when a payment or Commision for Services Rendered is formally construed to be a 'bribe' ( instead? of a traditional and universal recompense-fee-consideration ) , is sometimes less than clear.


For any branch of the US Gov't to cast asperions like this, is like a giant Caldren calling a Thimble 'Black'...


The FBI does not pay 'informants'? Outside Contractors? Deal-smoothers? Consultents?


One truly needs hip waders, if not a Wet Suit AND Scuba Gear, to swim in the BS stew of those gameboards I recon...


The real moral of the story?


Somebody forgot to grease the right lofty-enough guys in the operatively right way...
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Exactly
 
I am still a little confused as to what exactly they did wrong, can someone spell it out for me?
 
Or...the 'African Country' was one not presently favored by the administration...( pending their own 'deals' and quid-pro-quos being smoothed out...)
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No one does business in the third world without greasing some skids. Sometimes that greasing is ignored, sometimes not.
 
^^^^^^You would also have to be 12 or a shut in to not understand the risks of doing business in the third world. If you understand the risks and still go for it, you can't complain when you get burned.
 
Was it necessary to take these people into custody in the exhibition hall of the biggest trade show in the country?

Or was this grandstanding by out of control federal agencies serving as lap dogs for an un-Constitutional administration spinning the nation into socialism?
 
SaxonPig said:
Was it necessary to take these people into custody in the exhibition hall of the biggest trade show in the country?

Or was this grandstanding by out of control federal agencies serving as lap dogs for an un-Constitutional administration spinning the nation into socialism?
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It may have been grandstanding but I doubt it was "grandstanding by out of control federal agencies serving as lap dogs for an un-Constitutional administration spinning the nation into socialism"

This thread is positively puzzling. The tinfoil hat wearing is in full effect.
 
I think it's bull funky. ATBLIS hit the nail on the head. It is sad but that is how business is done in many parts of the world. When I was in business I refused to do it. Needless to say I never recieved any contracts. It appears it's the norm for many area's of the world.
 
the money laundering is gonna be the 600 pound gorrilla and help prove the other case. there are some folks gonna make big money here. the lawyers
 
What's the difference between a bribe and "sweetening the deal" as they say? It all seems very vague to me. I am ignorant about international business law, so I may not understand this situation.
 
Private company bribing foreign governments. How is that exactly a crime?
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What's the difference between a bribe and "sweetening the deal" as they say? It all seems very vague to me. I am ignorant about international business law, so I may not understand this situation.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Corrupt_Practices_Act

Here's a recent case. In summary, just this past year, Halliburton Corp. had to pay a settlement "fine" of $560 million in a foreign contract (s) bribery deal.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99890734&ft=1&f=1001
 
SaxonPig said:
Was it necessary to take these people into custody in the exhibition hall of the biggest trade show in the country?

Or was this grandstanding by out of control federal agencies serving as lap dogs for an un-Constitutional administration spinning the nation into socialism?
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Post #1 in this thread said:

" All were arrested off-site at an undisclosed location in the city, federal authorities said at a press conference held in Washington."

Where did you get the info that they all were arrested in the "exhibition hall of the biggest trade show in the country."?
 
tmpick said:
Unfortunately this is not the case. Facilitating payments and grease money are a cost of doing business overseas.
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There are a lot of things that are acceptable in other countries that I choose not to do because I choose to have higher ethics, morals, and values.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, didnt the USA get started in part because we chose to be better than the countries our forefathers lived in and didnt want to play their game anymore?

I know there is a vague parallel in here somewhere... but ... Didnt we throw a bunch of tea in the ocean or something because it wasnt right for them to be taking our money for no good reason?

We choose to be better than that..... I know we did. Didnt we ? :banghead:
 
This is similar to people wanting a body shop to pad the estimate for repairs to cover their insurance deductible......it's dishonest and those that do it have no business ethics.
 
"I am still a little confused as to what exactly they did wrong, can someone spell it out for me?"

I don't get it either, Ben86.

From what little information has been given, it seems that these plants told the businessmen that if they wanted to do business in "their" country, they would have to pay the officials. That's not bribery. That's extortion!!!
 
I for one am against all bribery of foreign governments and companies. Just because we want to keep jobs in the USA is not a good enough reason for our companies to be competitive with European and Asian companies in obtaining contracts.
Because we are the United States and know what is best for the whole world and are morals our far superior to everyone else, we should either shut down all of our companies or use military force to enforce our superior ways on the rest of the world. Because everyone knows that our definition of bribery is the only one in the world.
 
Private company bribing foreign governments.

How is that exactly a crime?
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If your company export ITAR products outside the USA. The company is required by the US State department to have an export license thru them.

Or make products for US government contacts. There are many regulations and laws to follow....... including no bribing.

If convicted,.... I don't see things going well for any of the company's involved.
 
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