FBI Crime Stats on long guns used in crime.

[firesky101]

Oops did not read that just saw the over 50oz unloaded part.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Over "50 oz" part bans handguns that are less concealable than the typical "crime gun" profile. Gun control is nonsense and makes voodoo look respectible by comparison.

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People advocate the banning of "assault rifle type weapons" because they have been used to commit very heinous acts which cause a strong emotional response and because they see no valid use for them. Its not just about total number of deaths but also a cost/benefit analysis.

Except the worst mass murders in this country have *not* involved rifles, but ordinary pistols and ordinary (not extended) magazines.

Limiting mass murders to shooting sprees slights the worst mass murder by an individual in America, which did not involve firearms. The Happyland Fire resulted in a higher body count than any shooting spree in the US and if I recall correctly more than the recent Norwegian shooting spree: "The Happy Land fire was an arson fire that killed 87 people trapped in an unlicensed social club called "Happy Land" (at 1959 Southern Boulevard) in the West Farms section of The Bronx, New York, on March 25, 1990."--( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happyland_Fire ) Jug of gas and two matches at an illegal social club with one entrance/exit.

Given that the Left and Gilbert Ernest McGill (wherever he may be) justify gun control by citing Hobbes and Weber, I would like to add: the worst mass murders are always perpetrated by absolute states with an unquestioned monopoly on use of force: the Third Reich under Hitler and Soviet Union under Stalin for example. ("And the Godwin Award with McCarthy Cluster goes to.....")

 

[Owen Sparks]

Limiting access to modern firearms will not stop insane people from committing mass murder. Look at what is happening an China where the statist dream of total civilian disarmament has been realized. No one in China has a gun except the government yet there has been a rash of attacks on school children by crazy men who used varying weapons including knives, box cutters, hammers, axes and cleavers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–2011)

 

[Skribs]

Carl, your stats only include mass murder by a single individual. If you include terrorist attacks, most of them are perpetrated by explosives, rather than guns. The worst attack in our history was achieved by the use of box cutters. I used to work at a grocery store and I can tell you there is NO WAY box cutters are getting banned or regulated.

Owen, needles have also been a common weapon in China lately.

But you guys are right. UK has a total ban on guns; most of their cops don't even carry guns. And yet "gun crime" is less than it is in the US compared to knife crime. Less; not none. If gun control worked, that number would be 0, or at the most not statistically significant. (It's also worth noting that crime overall stayed the same when guns were banned, its just "gun crime" went down and knife crime went up).

So gun control doesn't prevent guns from being used in crime, infringes on our rights, requires additional government spending...I don't see an upside at all.

 

[barnbwt]

Its not just about total number of deaths but also a cost/benefit analysis.

It's about something a whole lot less rational than a cost/benefit analysis.*

your stats only include mass murder by a single individual. If you include terrorist attacks, most of them are perpetrated by explosives, rather than guns.

Funny isn't it, how the means by which an act is perpetrated dictate its treatment by media/administrations; explosives are by definition used only in terror attacks, it seems (maybe if they'd been using bombs in Benghazi...there I go again, sorry )


*Unless you're a cynic like me, in which case you see the motives behind these measures as chillingly logical in their progression

TCB