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Hokie_PhD
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Why?
Government agencies such as FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE, etc use all sorts of things. Some information is easy to get some they keep classified. When I associated with people in those communities you'd be surprised at some of the stuff they used so nothing surprises me and if 20ga will get a job done I'm sure agents are using it to do that job if it makes the most sense.
That doesn't mean it's the only option it would mean it's one of their many tools.
Government agencies such as FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE, etc use all sorts of things. Some information is easy to get some they keep classified. When I associated with people in those communities you'd be surprised at some of the stuff they used so nothing surprises me and if 20ga will get a job done I'm sure agents are using it to do that job if it makes the most sense.
That doesn't mean it's the only option it would mean it's one of their many tools.
Jenrick
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As a general use shotgun? No. They certainly have some available for ballistics testing and forensics work. For actual enforcement action, they are 12 gauges just like pretty much every other LE agency in the country.
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Panzerschwein
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I know of no US Law enforcement entity that uses 20 gauges as standard issue,or ever used them as a matter of fact. There is pretty much 0 reason to these days with reduced recoil 12 gauge loads that have found widespread adoption by police.
lemaymiami
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I was always a "shotgun guy" on the street whenever I anticipated a hot scene (my era was 1973-1995) down here in south Florida... Although I worked for a small department in Dade county (100 sworn) I occasionally came in contact with Feds from a few different agencies on the street during my career. Almost all of them were armed with carbines when they needed some firepower better than just a sidearm. The few tactical FBI teams I encountered were mostly armed with MP-5s back then.
I always felt a bit old-fashioned with a standard 12ga riot gun - but to this day... It's my first choice for close quarters work....
I never saw or heard of a 20ga in use by any agency -local,state, or federal...
12ga is the standard - but I guess anything is possible...
I always felt a bit old-fashioned with a standard 12ga riot gun - but to this day... It's my first choice for close quarters work....
I never saw or heard of a 20ga in use by any agency -local,state, or federal...
12ga is the standard - but I guess anything is possible...
RPRNY
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They are probably moving to the 20ga.
Since they seem incapable of managing the recoil from the 40 S&W, after having been unable to manage the 10mm, and are migrating to the effete 9mm with its little euro-pellets, it would make government-logic to drop the 12ga in favor of the 20 ga. They will probably also spend tens of millions of tax dollars designing 20 ga loads that either a) approximate the 12ga loads they dropped, or b) offer greatly reduced recoil in 20 ga.
#Government-logic
Since they seem incapable of managing the recoil from the 40 S&W, after having been unable to manage the 10mm, and are migrating to the effete 9mm with its little euro-pellets, it would make government-logic to drop the 12ga in favor of the 20 ga. They will probably also spend tens of millions of tax dollars designing 20 ga loads that either a) approximate the 12ga loads they dropped, or b) offer greatly reduced recoil in 20 ga.
#Government-logic
Jason_W
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I love the 20 gauge for nostalgic reasons alone, but unless you're firing 3/4 oz target loads, the 20 doesn't really recoil all that much less than a 12 if common payload weights are similar. 1 oz to 1-1/4 oz of shot leave the muzzle of both the 12 and 20 at roughly the same velocity.
Yeah, if you move up to the heavier weight 12 ga loads, it will recoil more, but if you can handle a typical #3 buck load from a 20, you can probably handle a typical 00 buck load from a 12.
cdb1
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They have a narc unit that works underground clubs in San Francisco who call themselves the Nancy Boys. I've heard they carry 20 gauges to blend in better. I cannot attest to the veracity of this though.
Panzerschwein
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No such thing. Only point four ten bore.
Considering excellent selection of low recoil (slower velocity) tactical BK shot and slugs vs. ZERO in 20ga choosing it over 12ga is basically stupid. Even more so when one considers old vintage 12ga Ithaca 'Deerslayer' with non-magnum receiver and short barrel can be had in 6.5lb range. I would make exception for old Ithaca "Deerslayer' 20ga with 25" barrel as those are light handle nicely and can be used for skeet or close range upland bird gunning.
Jason_W
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If you're starting from a point of not having a shotgun, I agree, just get a 12. In my case, I'm heavily invested in 20 ga stuff dating back to when I was about 12. I may as well stick with it. A 20 ga. will do 90 percent of what the 12 will and the shells take up less space.
If I ever take up waterfowl hunting, I've decided to go retro: Skip the 12 and just get a 10. I've always wanted a 10 gauge. Also a 16 because I hate being able to find ammo for my guns in stores.
Panzerschwein
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Is Henry making a 20 gauge leever gun?
All I'm seeing is one in .410 bore.
I'd LOOOVE one in 20 bore.
All I'm seeing is one in .410 bore.
I'd LOOOVE one in 20 bore.
You've just had several posters say that it is not happening as far as they know, yet you post this speculation.
And what basis do you have for this sort of cynicism? Nobody is going to 20 ga. over 12, yet here you are spinning an assumption into a fictional, non-existent program rife with abuse.
Panzerschwein
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At this point, nobody is going to 12 gauge over 5.56, either.
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