few Savage/300WM questions

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As some of you guys know I had been looking at a Model 700 Remington to build up. Problem was I wanted a 300 Winchester Mag as a base and I wanted a heavy barrel. After searching like crazy I couldn't find anything in my price range to fit the bill. After that I started looking at AR's and had a list of stuff I was wanting to get to build it up, until I happened upon Savage's site and saw their 110FP. It's practically what I originally wanted, except with a 24" barrel instead of a 26". Anyway on to the questions. How would recoil be on this? I have a Browning A-bolt Hunters II in .308 and I shoot my dad's Winchester Model 70 "Ranger" .270 a lot. Both have a decent kick to them, but nothing to worry much about. Would it be much worse than these? I know usually it would, but the 110FP weighs two lbs more, so I figured that may help some. Also I won't have the extra money when I get it and optics for a stock. I've seen people stiffen the stock using metal rods in the forearm. Would this be really helpful this certain rifle? Any other "free" modification tips for that specific rifle? Also I'm looking to shoot recreational long range a lot (700-1000 yds). Would it be possible to get any decent shots this far with factory ammo? I know it won't be anything compared to match grade, but like I said it's recreational and not competition. Thanks.
 
Hi Red...

First of all, understand that the Savage 110 has long been a rifle that tons of people have had complete Faith in, and many people have doted on, for good reason. My point is not to assume that your Savage 110 (if you get it) will need anything.

Secondly, there is a notable difference in the recoil of .308s and .300 WinMags. The 300 Winnie won't break your shoulder but you should probably expect it to require plenty of focus to avoid flinching. If there was a modification to the gun you might need, it would probably be getting it ported to reduce recoil to a more pleasant level.

Thirdly,a 24" barrel will be completely fine.

Fourth, if you find yourself missing targets at 700 yards by a huge margin, it's pretty safe to assume the fault is yours, not the cartridge's or the rifle's


That's what I think. :)
 
I understand about that (modding the rifle). Just covering my bases, as I've heard Savage uses crap, flimsy stocks to reduce prices. I probably won't worry about changing it for recoil. If I can't handle it I'll just get a smaller caliber. Maybe just get a better pad, if that. I don't think that will be that much of a problem though.

Thanks for the post.
 
I once traded a cousin out of a brand new Savage M111 in .300win,mag. He is around 5'11" and near 300lbs. He could not take the recoil. After trading, the first thing I did was take the 50 dollar Bushnell scope off and throw it into the trash,it was literally shaken apart by the recoil of just 3 rounds!
 
Lord, I'm the same height and around 130lbs lighter. I haven't shot a rifle that's hurt me yet, but that doesn't leave me enthusiastic. How was the recoil for you? I've also heard that the older Savage's kicked like mules because they were so light, but my Browning is two lbs less than the 110fp.
 
I never shot it myself just took it for trade and later traded it away. It had a very wimpy barrel and was in a sythetic stock. The entire setup was probably 8lbs or less(I didn't weigh it). I'm 6' and around 150lb soaking wet and (so far) the only thing that hurts me recoil wise is old 12 bore shotguns! These are quite closely related to mules!
 
Yeah. The only thing that's really left a place on my shoulder was an old Remington model 48-Mohawk 12 gauge my grandpa gave me. He had it cut off some, so it definatly has some bite to it. Anybody have any ideas on how the 300 would compare?
 
I would suggest that you borrow one or rent one at a shooting range before buying one. That way you will know if it is right for you.
 
We only have one range here, but I've never been to it. I'll probably stop by there today and see if I can rent one for a bit. If not my dad works with a guy that might have one. I know he has a 7 mag.
 
A modern max load 12ga. Magnum shell in a 7.5 lb. gun generates about 45 foot/lbs of recoil.

I don't have the data on foot/lbs of recoil for rifles but, if you can find it, you'll have a rough idea of what to expect from the 300 Winnie and that rifle.

The yesteryear rifle Guru Jack O'Conner was of the opinion that a 300 Win Mag needed to be in a 9-lb. gun to be acceptable for the majority of people.
Jack was pretty sharp.

HTH :cool:
 
Really? Just searched and found some numbers on snipercountry.com. They say a .300WM is about 19.4 ft/lbs and a .308 at 11.5 ft/lbs.
 
Might be since a lot of those on the site are varmint type rifles. If that's anywhere near right, since the 110 is a 8.5lb rifle and my .308 is 6.5lb, then it should just kick a bit more. Hopefully. Regardless, I'm going to run by that range and see if I can take one for a spin. I think it might be just a pistol range though. It's not that long of a range.
 
I found a Savage 112 VSSR in 300 WinMag, used but apparantly unfired, for a little over $400. It does have a 26" barrel and the stock is laminateed and more substancial. It has a long heavy recoil but isn't uncomfortable and the Accutrigger is so light, it's hard to devvelpoe a flinch. The heavier bullets are more likely to be more accurate at longer ranges than the cheaper 300 rounds in 150 grain.
 
I have a Savage 116 in a Richards laminated stock in 300. I think it's really unpleasant to shoot. I bought it for a backup to my 338-06 after some crappy Weatherby ammo torched my bolt face. If you want to shoot that distance, get any Savage, and put a 6.5x284 barrel on it. Or buy a Savage F-Class.
 
I think I'll probably order a few boxes of this so I can save my brass and maybe reload some later down the road. Not to mention it's 180gr. so it should be pretty good for longer range stability? Also like I said I haven't shot long range much, mostly 300-400 yards with my .308 (2.5-10X50 scope). How do you keep it accurate that far out? Do most guys use turrets on the scope to adjust the elevation or account for it with your crosshairs?

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=389907&t=11082005

Also I don't really want to or can afford to put a new barrel on a new rifle right now, so what caliber I get is what caliber I'll shoot. The rifle is a 110FP.
 
Well, FYI, a new Savage barrel can be had at Midway for $100-150, and a Shilen Supermatch for $350-400. You don't need gunsmith to change them like you do with Remchesters. And I also think you won't shoot at much as you think with a 300, due to the cost, and recoil.

As to the ammo, I don't think those soft points have a very good BC for long range. Get a scope with a lot of internal adjustment, like a Super Sniper.
 
Skinemexico,you are correct about the price of an extra Savage barrel. There is more to it than that though. Besides the extra barrel you will have to buy go and no-go gauges in each caliber at $25.00-$80.00 for EACH guage plus purchase a barrel nut wrench for $45.00 increasing the cost substantially.
 
Sized cases work fine as go gauges. Add tape or a shim for a no-go. It's not that hard to find a wrench for $20-30. And you need it, because it's so fun, you have to do more. And you don't have to buy a gauge for every caliber, just a gauge for the parent case. My 3006 gauge worked for my 270, and my 338-06. Would still work on a 2506, 6.5-06, or 35 Whelen. but you're right, there is an investment.
 
True,you can improvise but it will take more technical knowledge to do it properly and safely. If you use sized cases you will have to have a case sizing die(not a problem if you reload). A 30.06 case could not be used in a .270 or 25.06 because the case mouth diameter is too great and would not enter the barrel. You could ,of course, use a 25.06 case for all of the above. And...you could always just have a gunsmith switch the barrels and set headspace for little more than the price of the barrel wrench. Personally,if I were going to go the barrel switching route,I would invest in the proper tools. But then that's just me.
 
Well Red all I can say is that Chucks Hawks rate 18- grain .300 mag at 25lbs in a 8.5lb gun. So it really shouldnt be that much worse than your .308. Noticeable? Yes. Painful? I doubt it.

BTW - You still have your S10? (this is 01black4.3 from s10forum)
 
Ahh. Yeah, I've still got the Sonoma. Just put a starter on it the other day and have to do some more manenance to it. I haven't been on in forever. I got into the bike thing and have been pretty busy. I still want to be into the mini thing, but it's just not ideal for me as of now.
 
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