Fighting Crime? Can this be legal?

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Ferrari, have you ever even been in a "bad" part of town?

I've driven to White Sox games, and to the University of Chicago which is surrounded by a ghetto. I've seen windows with bars on them, and older people who look afraid to walk to the grocery store. And one night a bunch of friends and I made a very dumb mistake. We were on Rush and Division street where there are dozens of bars, resturants, night clubs, and entertainment. We kept walking west on division street thinking there would be more places to see, until we eneded up in the middle of a ghetto at midnight on saturday on foot. We turned around and walked back.

You would get shot. That simple. And yes, they are stupid enough to shoot at you. A lot. And volume makes up for marksmanship.

If the criminals are that stupid to open fire on lawful citizens walking the public streets, then I would fully expect the whole police force, state police, and whatever other resources they needed to come and clean up the cockroach den. Unlike people who live in the nieghborhood who are afraid to testify, we would have camcorders which will show where the fire came from. I would expect that door to get kicked in, fingerprints to be taken, suspects to be taken in for questioning.

I just can not fathom how the police would turn the victim into the aggressor. Since when is it wrong for lawful citizens to walk the sidewalks, even if the neighborhood is crap?

Or I could just ignore the problem and hope the cancer never comes to my neighborhood.
 
Your CCW doesn't make you a cop, and it doesn't make you a junior danger ranger. Yes, you are wrong. You have no clue how wrong you are.

Yes, they will shoot at you. The people you are talking about would have no problem killing you for interfering with their business.

The attitude of the police will more than likely be, what are these idiots doing, causing trouble in the bad part of town?

The people you are helping are most likely going to take the attitude of, why are all these stupid crackers coming down here and stirring up trouble?

There is a cancer in the innercity. Remember Hurricane Katrina? That was lights getting shown on the cockroaches.

I lived in Ensley, (right down the road from The Brickyard, for our Birmingham residents) I watched a drug dealer smash a guy in the face with an aluminum baseball bat, and then toss him off a second floor apartment balcony. None of the other apartment dwellers noticed.

Dead bodies could lay in the projects for days, and nobody would call the police. When the police did come into the projects, they always did it in groups. Random potshots were taken at the cops on a pretty regular basis.

I could walk down the street, and lose track of the needles in the gutter. I was there working with a local church. Most of the girls were knocked up by the age of fourteen. There were a few holdouts until sixteen. As far as I was aware, none of the girls made it to full on married adult hood before having babies. And these were the "moral" people in the area.

I went to the wrong apartment, and interupted a drug deal once. I hid under a flight of stairs while the dealers looked for me. This was back before I carried a gun. It was pretty normal to see guys dressed in furs, pull up in Jaguars, and flash rolls of hundred dollar bills bigger than their fists. These are the people who's business you would be interupting. I had guns flashed towards me as a warning to move along, because my "whiteness" was interupting their business and making customers nervous.

I disabled the interior dome light of my car. See, when you would pull up to a bad area in the dark, and open the door, the light would come on, and the local thugs would see a white person in the vehicle. Since this was a surprise, you often times ended up with rounds coming your way. Friend of mine got nicked in the face because of that.

Two more friends of mine got shot in a car jacking in the same area. Husband floored it when the gun came in the window. Bad guy opened up. Husband was shot through the wrist. Wife in the finger. The car was a crappy Ford Escort.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The problems are complicated and confusing. I'm talking about four generations of welfare leaches, stoned out of their minds, illiterate, pregnant, and used as pawns by worthless politicians. Playing Wyatt Earp is the last thing that is going to make anything better. The only people who can clean up the innercity, are the people who live there, and until enough of them give a damn, then it isn't going to happen.
 
If this were ever to happen it should get done by the people in the neighborhood. A bunch of outsiders coming in and trying to clean things up probably wouldn't work.
You wouldn't be able to do it without the support of the community.
 
Keyboard Commando to the rescue!!!

ok ok,, unless everyone is armed with an AR styled weapons & KNOW how to use them and you have a good anti-sniping unit, and you have some decent tactics, & a C130 Spector wouldnt hurt, you probably wouldn’t have to worry about the legalities, you should worry about making it out.

Seriously, I cant imagine you wouldn’t get charged with something. This is a bad idea.
 
No one has asked the important question yet. What's the best weapon to carry concealed while engaged in this endeavor? Should I go with 9mm for more capacity, or .45 ACP for better stopping power?
 
No one has asked the important question yet. What's the best weapon to carry concealed while engaged in this endeavor? Should I go with 9mm for more capacity, or .45 ACP for better stopping power?

Why dink around with handguns? The real question is whether you should Mare's Leg made in .450 Marlin for the ultimate in stopping power versus an AR-15 pistol for rapid fire.

Or better yet, an AR-15 pistol in 6.8mm. :what: :)
 
There are a whole bunch of problems with your suggestion. I will lay a few out in no particular order.

The authorities (for whatever reasons) will not approve. Even if you do nothing criminal you will be arrested.

Many of these same authorities are on the hook to the gangs. There is a lot of money, and politicians are relatively cheap to buy.

The people that live there might seem to be your best allies, but they know the score. After a couple of you are killed, the rest will leave.

There is at least some truth to the cops not wanting competition idea. But, in this case it probably is not the issue. They don't want to have to come clean up the mess or protect your sorry ass when you go there. There are areas the cops are terrified to go to, and just won't go in some cases except in good size groups.

Really, the solution is pretty simple.

Revoke the drug laws and the money goes away.

Tear down the projects. If the people w/o hope are clustered together, that negativism feeds on itself.
 
Like these guys?

Actually, in Fort Worth, TX there's also the Citizens on Patrol, though I personally don't know anyone that is a part of it. I have heard from others around Deer Park (outside of Houston) where they have the same thing going, and they've done a lot in bringing a bit of peace and order back to the community in some of the "trouble" areas.
 
Whether your areas laws allow it or not, is not a question I am going to answer or attempt to answer. However, Ferrari, I believe that you plan is good intentioned, but loony. These people will try to kill you, and very well may hunt you down later. They don't want to go up the river, and they will do anything to avoid it.
 
I hope you are not serious

Gangbangers may not be good shots but they tend to have a bit of craft and will find out from the news who you guys are and then go and perhaps rape and kill your wife and kids and then burn down your house or do a drive by. Or they may shoot you from behind(they know the streets much better)

This is not the wild west - no shootouts at noon on the street - they wait till you are not ready and then kill you.
 
If you really wish to accomplish this, get the group but focus on canning the currently elected officials on the basis that this drug stuff is on-going. A grass roots attack by electing new folks will do much more.
 
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