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Finger on the trigger guard or not?

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stevereno1

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I have a habit of putting my weak-hand index finger on the trigger guard. I want to know if this is how some, or all, or none shoot. I am not going to change this, as it is the only way that I grip a pistol, but I just thought it would be interresting to hear from my brethren
 
what are you shooting? If it is an auto I sugest you look at fist-fire its a great method and it works
 
No. After years of trying to figure out the best way to hold a handgun, I finally discovered this video by Todd Jarrett. I now use this high hold technique with all my semi-autos (doesn't work too well with revolvers :)). This is the most instructive video on how to fire a handgun I've ever seen and I watch it at least once a week. It works great.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363
 
I used to shoot that way also. Shot a lot of USPSA and IDPA matches that way until a 'name' shooter pointed out that my second shot was always low. He said this was due to muzzle whip and that if my off hand was lower on the gun I'd have better leverage. Next practice I found this to be true. I was jerking the muzzle down for the second shot and hitting low. Went to the lower hold and the problem diminished considerably. Old dogs can learn new tricks.
 
I've always used a grip just like the one in the Tod Jarret video that RNB65 posted.

However, I have noticed that the "support hand finger on the front of the triggerguard" hold is still popular in Europe. A bunch of my friends have done military service in Turkey, for example. They were all taught to stick their support hand index fingers on the front of the guard.

I've tried it. It feels unnatural for me. I'm more consistent and have an easier time controlling recoil when I wrap all four support hand fingers over my right hand.
 
RNB65 - thanks for the link on Todd Jarrett. Stevereno1: click on the link.
 
I finally discovered this video by Todd Jarrett
This guy is so full of hot air about law enforcement being 20 years behind in these techniques as to be laughable with regard to the grip or the stance. I learned to hold a pistol that way over 25 years ago from federal law enforcement firearms instructors and NRA instructors, and I taught holding it that way for about 14years. So unless this video is very old, I don't get the behind the times comment at all. Of course maybe he is just trying to sell "his" technique! The thing is many other people I know hold it that way and have been doing so for many years. Many instructors I know have been teaching that method for many, many years. There maybe slight, and I do mean slight, differences but it the same grip when it comes down to it. Now all of a sudden he has reinvented the wheel. What a good laugh that whole idea gave me if only because the firearms gurus always seem to be claiming something as their own that was being used many years before they thought of it, and the gurus repeat one another again and again and again, each one sort of claiming it as their own method.

As for the thumb, on the weak hand, it is not all as important as he makes it, I can train anyone, and I mean anyone to hold it almost straight up and they will shoot right on, though toward the target to a degree is more natural, though paralel to the index finger of the other hand is forcing it, but not by much.

One thing to be extremely careful of is that the thumb of the off side hand does not ride the slide, this can and definitely does lead to jamming in many cases. I have seen it over an over again, and then some.

As for this being a training film and the instructor allowing the guy to bring the pistol up the way he does, pointing it at about 45 degrees upinto the air then homing in on the target, shame on him for allowing very bad practice to be put into a training video. If you notice, the instructor does not once come on target lke that, and there is a reason not to do so because it takes more time, and it is a much less effective way of bringing a pistol to bear on target than punching or pushing it, or pointing it hard, forward toward the target.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
From first "hand" experience, I've watched a friend of mine use the finger forward on the trigger guard, several times at the range. Every shot he fired, his finger immediately came off the trigger guard, and his whole grip technique seemed to fall apart at that point. Other times, I noticed that he also had a tendency to cup his weak hand under the bottom of the gun, giving little or no support to his gun hand. So I had him try taking his support hand and place it over his shooting hand, with his fingers giving overlapping support to the fingers on his shooting hand. It seems to have improved his controlability and shooting technique somewhat over what he had been doing before. So I would say, No, to the finger on the trigger guard technique.
 
I had the fortune of having a WWII DI for a father.... we learned drill from an early age in both handguns and longguns. I could learn a lot from you folks, I've never put a finger on the trigger guard
 
I use that technique all the time. Allows me to apply more forward force at the top portion of the grip giving me more control under recoil.

Try various methods of shooting and pick the one that allows to shoot the best and is comfortable to you. Who cares what other folks think? Use what works for you.
 
Stevereno, I have always used that grip also, I think it helps me control muzzle rise a little more,i'm not a pro shooter but i'm better than average. One of the reasons I like my XD 45 so much is the trigger guard design facilitates my grip style, check out the trigger guard on one ,you'll see what i mean
 
a Navy SWCC told me "pushing" the handgun is the better way, rather then bringing it straight up...just like Glenn Bartley says.
That being said..
I think that we can all agree we'd love to shoot any handgun like Todd Jarrett does, and especially a .45
..that level of speed an accuracy I mean.
Incredible.
GP
 
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