fiocchi brass?
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Steelworker
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The flashholes were WAY off center on the Fiocchi brass that I had. It was .223 also.
lightman
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If I were buying brass I would prefer something different. Yeah, I know, good luck finding a big selection! If I pick it up at the range I would probably load and shoot it.
Dudedog
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I picked up some that had the flash holes way off center.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=748343
Others may be better but this is what I ran into.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=748343
Others may be better but this is what I ran into.
Ironicaintit
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Recently I was building some 7.62x39, and ran across some of those. I didn't notice off center flash holes, but the primer pockets were ridiculously tight. After squishing several primers, I set them aside and ran a swager into them.
AnselHazen
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Palmetto State Armory maybe?
Seems this topic of off center flash holes comes up often. Fiocchi has been making ammo since 1876. Longer than a heck of a lot of companies, I can't say about their 223/5.56 rifle ammo but I have shot a lot of their handgun ammo in many calibers some time ago when ammo was affordable. I still have most of the brass an still reloading it.
What exact problem is there with a flash hole slight off center?? It worked fine the first time when the new ammo was shot. Does the spark or flash ignition have to be in the center for the powder to ignite?
No.
If off center bothers you then get something else.
Take some powder in a little pile, ignite it with a long lighter on the right, on the left or in the center, it still burns up real quick!
http://fiocchi.gunsamerica.com/about/
What exact problem is there with a flash hole slight off center?? It worked fine the first time when the new ammo was shot. Does the spark or flash ignition have to be in the center for the powder to ignite?
No.
If off center bothers you then get something else.
Take some powder in a little pile, ignite it with a long lighter on the right, on the left or in the center, it still burns up real quick!
http://fiocchi.gunsamerica.com/about/
TimSr
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I've loaded a ton of Fiocchi 9mm brass, and have no complaints. Never noticed any issues with flash holes. I'm also not grasping the negative effects off center flash holes unless it's bad enough to cause decapping issues, which is apparently successful or nobody would know they are off center.
I predict a study will be done on the statistically valid comparative analysis of perfectly centered flash holes vs those that are 2/1000th off center, We need DATA!
Nature Boy
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It's not so bad as to bend the decapping pin is it?
If you use LEE decaping dies it will just pop up and not break,
I have never broken a pin, not even had one pop up and I have hit some berdan primers.
As TimSR said if you can see the primer hole then it must have deprimed OK,
Now if you use those crummy Dillon or RCBS dies who knows what may happen
I have never broken a pin, not even had one pop up and I have hit some berdan primers.
As TimSR said if you can see the primer hole then it must have deprimed OK,
Now if you use those crummy Dillon or RCBS dies who knows what may happen
atblis
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Actually, there are some works showing that flash holes do matter for rifles. You can see it in the pressure curves interestingly enough. It's one of the reasons that Lapua brass is better...very consistent flash holes.
Those that BUY Lapua brass are those that are concerned about everything!
Not saying that is bad or not important just at a higher standard so to speak,
Nature Boy
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Yeah, that's me, all my stiff is that Dillon crap
I have a bunch of range pick up mixed .223 that I may sort out any fiocchi and set aside....just in case
7mmb
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I have a batch of 100 Fiocchi 357 Magnum cases that I've reloaded 15 times and they are still going strong. I've used them for mid-range loads but I haven't had one split yet. They've held up better than my Starline brass.
Dudedog
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The brass I had did function fine the first time. The issue was decapping / bent decap pin for me. Since a lot of .223/5.56 is crimped some of it requires a bit of force to decap. I applied to much force depriming some of these and bent the decap pin in the size die. (twice) I was able to decap using the Lee universal decap die. So there is nothing wrong with the brass other than it is a pain to try to reload. Thier other brass may be fine, other .223 may be fine, all I know is I ran into some that was a pain to deal with.
2ndtimer
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I have reloaded hundreds of the Fiocchi .223 cases and have cases of factory 40 gr V-Max loads to shoot that I plan on reloading. Very few problems reloading the Fiocchi brass. Are a few of the flash holes off center? Yes, and a few were way off center. However, rotating the case in the shell holder enabled me to de-prime them and they worked fine once loaded. Since I bought most of the ammo for $16.95 per box of 50, I consider the brass to be just fine for reloading. I know some of the cases have been loaded at least 5 or 6 times and have only lost a few to split necks. (I have never annealed any brass)
In my opinion, the Fiocchi Extrema ammo is one of the best bargains out there, in both the 40 gr and 50 gr V-Max loads. MOA or less in 4 different .223's including a couple of 1 in 8" twist AR's. Best in the 1 in 12" Remington SPS varmint. An honest 3650 fps for the 40 gr V-Max out of the 26" 1 in 12" barrel.
In my opinion, the Fiocchi Extrema ammo is one of the best bargains out there, in both the 40 gr and 50 gr V-Max loads. MOA or less in 4 different .223's including a couple of 1 in 8" twist AR's. Best in the 1 in 12" Remington SPS varmint. An honest 3650 fps for the 40 gr V-Max out of the 26" 1 in 12" barrel.
atblis
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No reason to go out of one's way to collect problematic brass. Sounds like Fiocchi should go in the recycle bucket. I have Lake City ranging from 1973 to 2009. Haven't had a bit of trouble out of any of it.
nerfsrule2
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i just noticed the same thing on my Hornady 50 g.223 Fiocchi.. So You are not alone
And I havent had a single problem reloading Fiocchi while even swaged the lake city is a pain to load until one reload cycle loosens up the primer cup a smidge.
Reefinmike
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Given the choice between centered and off centered flash holes, I'd pick centered ones every time. They have benefits like not damaging your decapping pin, they look better and some say they even shoot better! once fired LC brass can usually be found for 4-5 cents a piece and is good quality brass. It has a crimped primer pocket, but that is no big deal to remove with a #2 phillips head or your deburr tool.
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