Firearm buying advice for a Permanent Resident (green card)

[duns]

I'm a Permanent Resident too. When I first bought guns, I had to provide photo ID, fill out the 4473 form, pass the NICS background check, and provide proof of 90 days' residency in my state. Now I have my CHL, the background check is not needed but the other requirements apply.

To prove the 90 days' residency, I just produce my last 3 or 4 months of electricity bills, with the bills made out to my name and address. Bank statements or pretty much any other official document would serve the same purpose so long as they show you have been at that address for the last 90 days or more.

For the exact requirements see the instructions to form 4473 Question 20.c.

Don't even think about trying to find a way round the rules (unlike citizens, green card holders can be deported!).

 

[Wonderclam]

Why don't you just do what the gun store asks and get your new gun? Why try and find a way around the laws?

I have no way of getting the 3 months worth of bills under my name sent to my address. Everything is under my mom's name. I only have a cell phone bill, which is something they cannot use. The written statement that my mom has to fill is easy to get.

I'm a Permanent Resident too. When I first bought guns, I had to provide photo ID, fill out the 4473 form, pass the NICS background check, and provide proof of 90 days' residency in my state. Now I have my CHL, the background check is not needed but the other requirements apply.

To prove the 90 days' residency, I just produce my last 3 or 4 months of electricity bills, with the bills made out to my name and address. Bank statements or pretty much any other official document would serve the same purpose so long as they show you have been at that address for the last 90 days or more.

For the exact requirements see the instructions to form 4473 Question 20.c.

Don't even think about trying to find a way round the rules (unlike citizens, green card holders can be deported!).

Yeah, but there's no rule against buying from a private seller because you can't get one from a gun store, is there? I'm not too familiar with this and google search doesn't help, I can't seem to get the wording right to get an answer for my query.

 

[Top_Gunn]

Yeah, but there's no rule against buying from a private seller because you can't get one from a gun store, is there? I'm not too familiar with this and google search doesn't help, I can't seem to get the wording right to get an answer for my query.

That's right: buying from a private seller, so long as you're both residents of the state and it's legal for you to own the gun, is fine.

 

[duns]

I have no way of getting the 3 months worth of bills under my name sent to my address. Everything is under my mom's name. I only have a cell phone bill, which is something they cannot use. The written statement that my mom has to fill is easy to get.

I don't actually see anything in the instructions to Question 20.c. that says a letter from your mom would prove your residency for 90 days. Possibly the gun store does not know what it is talking about. If you are confident that the store does know what it is talking about then just follow their instructions.

Yeah, but there's no rule against buying from a private seller because you can't get one from a gun store, is there? I'm not too familiar with this and google search doesn't help, I can't seem to get the wording right to get an answer for my query.

I've never made a face-to-face purchase so can't help you with that. Maybe others can. Maybe you should phrase your question as "What are the rules for face to face gun purchases in my state" and "are there any additional rules for Permanent residents"?

 

[Wonderclam]

This is getting a little too complicated. I should just stick with my .22 ruger and be happy with it. The .22 magnum interchangable cylinder should be good enough for home defense.

 

[KodiakBeer]

Have your Mom make out a rental agreement for you. You should be able to download a fill-in-the-blanks agreement from any number of sources.

 

[Wonderclam]

Have your Mom make out a rental agreement for you. You should be able to download a fill-in-the-blanks agreement from any number of sources.

That part is no problem. The problem is that I don't have any of the bills on my name. Only thing I have is the AC payment bill and my cellphone bill.

 

[crossrhodes]

Not a statement!

everrallm, dec41971 was not making a political statement but stated mear fact. You were enticing him to return with a political statement.

 

[KodiakBeer]

A rental agreement will suffice.

 

[hso]

Is there some reason that the OP can't get a driver's license to establish residency?

What is the OP's age so that we can avoid assumptions about restrictions or lack thereof?

Many students living on campus, but away from home, may face the same sorts of problems so how do they establish the residency requirements without utility or rent receipts? Might those threads dealing with those situations be applicable? Is the OP a university student that can establish residency through documentation of his student status or does the OP have a job that he can use his pay stub or tax forms to establish 90+ day residency?

 

[Wonderclam]

I have a permanent resident card, been living here since 1996. Came here when I was 15 and now almost 30. I have a driver's license I've had since 2001 and it shows my current address.

They want 90 days worth of electric bills to prove I've been living in the house for 90 days or more and they want a written document by my mom (the house owner) saying that I've been living here for 90 days or more. I have no problem with providing the written document, but I have none of the required bills under my name to prove that I've been living here for 90 days or longer. I thought this was just store policy, but turns out (as posters have stated) that this is federal law.

 

[natman]

Have one of the bills put in your name. Wait 90 days, then buy what you want.

 

[hso]

Here's a question for our members versed in this regulatory issue, would pay stub or W2 or any other legitimate proof of residence other than the more common utility bill or rental agreement meet the federal requirements?

And if all else fails -

Las Vegas Group I
Resident Agent in Charge
8965 S. Eastern Avenue, Suite 200
Las Vegas, Nevada 89123 USA
Voice (702) 347-5910
Fax (702) 347-5911

 

[wishin]

You can bet that you're not the first, nor will you be the last, to be in this situation and have this complication. Given the fact that your drivers license has this address on it, and that you can prove residency at this address with a statement from your parents, it should not be a problem. Go for it.

 

[esquare]

Hm - it seems like maybe the store is wanting utility bills from your house (that are in your mother's name) and then a notice written by your mother testifying that you've been living in the house as well. That would actually make sense. (But, what federal gun laws make sense?)

I would suggest clarifying that point with several gun stores, not just one. It can't be this difficult to purchase a gun from a store in Veags. There's got to be some other documentation that you have that will work.