First BP Rifle

[Jason313]

I am hoping for advice, on a first rifle (defo will be getting more than one eventually, i have an eye on the Lyman Mustang w the walnut stock but 1st something cheap, but ok to hunt with, im seeing cva wolf vs traditions tracker @ aprx. 180$

what do you think?

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

The CVA Wolf is a very good gun for the price. I have taken several deer with one and so has my wife.
In my rifle the black harvester sabots and 250 grain .452 bullets are very accurate out to 200 plus yards. The green sabots and .429 bullets are not.

 

[ThomasT]

Aren't those inline rifles? If they are you won't find a lot of love for them here. But welcome to the madness.

 

[badkarmamib]

IMHO, the CVA and Traditions are similar in quality. If you have a way to hold each of them, see if one feels better in your hands, shoulders better, etc. Go with that one, and enjoy it. Yes, traditional MZ's are nicer, but inlines are SOOOOOO much easier to clean.

 

[rodwha]

Are you looking specifically for an inline muzzleloader? If not Lyman makes the Deerstalker that comes in shallow or deep groove (not exactly traditional with fiber optic sights and a recoil pad or even with stainless) which I have and like, and Pedersoli makes the Country Hunter. Both are reasonably priced. And then there’s the Lyman Trade Rifle and Great Plains in either slow twist or fast.

What are your expectations?

 

[J-Bar]

I have never understood the philosophy of buying one gun when you really would rather have a different one. If the Lyman Mustang appeals to you then buy a Lyman Mustang, learn to shoot it well and take care of it. Getting something else just because it is less expensive (and likely to be less well made, less accurate, etc) is a recipe for frustration. If you want frustration, play golf!

 

[rodwha]

[QUOTE="If you want frustration, play golf! [/QUOTE]

But then he’d have to also smoke a good cigar with a good Scotch or bourbon.

 

[BullSlinger]

I like a good single malt and a Cohiba.

 

[drobs]

I think my 2nd BP rifle will be a quick loading Smith Carbine.

 

[rodwha]

I like a good single malt and a Cohiba.

Laphroaig 10 Year and these for sure:



I always stop in to Havana Bob’s in Cozumel for a few along with their house smokes from Cuba.

 

[paul harm]

If you want to keep things even and everything went right all day, you play a round of golf. Easy to clean ? - then shoot modern guns, they're easy to clean. Shooting smoke is all about doing things the way it was done in the 1800's, not killing something at 200 yards. If you just want meat, go the corner meat market - it'd be cheaper.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Yeah, golf. A nice long walk ruined by a little white ball.

 

[Pete D.]

I am hoping for advice, on a first rifle (defo will be getting more than one eventually, i have an eye on the Lyman Mustang w the walnut stock but 1st something cheap, but ok to hunt with, im seeing cva wolf vs traditions tracker @ aprx. 180$

what do you think?

I think that you should buy the Lyman if that is what you want. Money spent on a "starter" rifle would be better spent on powder and ball for the Lyman.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

i have an eye on the Lyman Mustang

In the world of in-lines, that's actually a pretty rifle.
Most folks want to push the inlines and the black powder way past what is really prudent. Everybody seems to think they are Quigly, Downunder. Now I think with that rifle, you will probably get better accuracy with a scope, and that's true with any of the other inlines, and folks forget to factor in the cost of the scope when going inexpensive. But I'd still try to keep your shots under 100 yards if possible, and if not, try to keep them under 150 yards. With that in mind, the Mustang ads mention shooting up to 150 grains. I think you'd be better served with buying Triple Seven pellets in 30 grains https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/muzz...iple-seven-30-grain-pellets-50-30-powder.html and sighting in with 2 pellets (60 grains) and then up it to 3 pellets for 90 grains and check your scope settings. Unless you've a hankerin' for going for pronghorn out on the pairie, ... 90 grains at 100 - 150 yards will hammer deer. The animals won't be any deader if you use 5 pellets for 150 grains.

LD

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

That's the exact reason I don't like the philosophy behind inlines. I used to advertise in a magazine published by Knight. It was always shove 150 grain pellets in a short barrel and think they had accomplished something. In 3 years of reading that thing I saw one article on shooting for accuracy by finding the rifles most accurate load. I have always wanted to know if the third pellet was burning down range cause it sure as hell ain't burning in the barrel.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

That's the exact reason I don't like the philosophy behind inlines. I used to advertise in a magazine published by Knight. It was always shove 150 grain pellets in a short barrel and think they had accomplished something. In 3 years of reading that thing I saw one article on shooting for accuracy by finding the rifles most accurate load. I have always wanted to know if the third pellet was burning down range cause it sure as hell ain't burning in the barrel.

That's just marketing and it's not unique to inlines. Muzzle velocity/energy sells to the mass market.
I have inline and traditional BP rifles and all be safely loaded past the point of peak accuracy. It is up to the shooter to find the load that works best in any gun.

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

My point is how does the guy who just picked up an inline with no bp experience, reads one of those articles and automatically assumes that that's how it's done. It perpetuates the attitude of lets cram as much powder as possible down the barrel and hope we hit the target while getting the crap stomped out of us. Makes my butt sore.

 

[midland man]

yep I went only to a flintlock rifle as I don't need ultra whizz bang magnums as my cast roundballs take deer/hogs just fine in my 45 caliber Kentucky rifle!

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

I personally haven't shot percussion rifle in quite a while. I got to preferring rocklocks over cap guns. However I have been shooting revolvers a lot lately. May be getting back to shotguns soon as well.

 

[arcticap]

I'm biased but I like the Traditions Buckhunter because it fits me well and I like plunger actions for their simplicity.
Plus it comes with a 2 ignition system that can use 209's or musket caps.
The guns with the internal hammer mechanisms can be more problematic IMHO.

https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/product/Tracker-209-.50-cal-Black-Blued

 

[paul harm]

Traditions not shipping to Michigan is just company policy - I've had BP revolvers shipped to me from out of state companies. Matter of fact it said Traditions on the box - kind of ironic ain't it ? Anyways, I must be old school because I could never buy or shoot a BP firearm that looks like that. It just seems sack religious to me. I feel if you want to shoot a BP gun, shoot one that looks like it came from that era. Isn't that the idea about shooting BP, or is it just about getting another critter ?

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Couldn't agree more Paul, I was excited when Arizona made a muzzleloader only season, but then all the bonehead truck hunters came outta the woodwork with their inlines stuffed with as many pellets as they thought they could get away with. The only good thing about it was there wasn't as many as during the regular rifle season. I haven't been in Arizona in a while now so it may have changed.

 

[tbob38]

I have a Lyman Great Plains rifle and it is a fantastic rifle. Mine is 54 cal.