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I have no clue how to reload. I just got into guns this past June, so I’m pretty green still. I just buy ammo online.

I like the idea of being able to shoot both .38 and .357. The 586 just looks awesome, such a nice looking gun.

Like you, I'm a relatively new gun hobbyist, since about May or June. I got the bug hard, and have purchased four since then, and have come to realize I really like revolvers. Since the Old West and the local range are kind of my jam, I wasn't concerned about carry either. I like the clicking and locking of the heavier metals over polymers, and I don't expect to be in a situation where carrying is relevant.

I won't advise on which to go with but can give my experience:

The GP 100 10 shot .22 was going to be my first revolver. I loved the feel and aesthetic, regardless of what others said about it being "overbuilt," but Scheel's had me in a second round of a 30 day delay, when I decided to get that money back and go to a local shop which had a Smith & Wesson Model 17-9. I'm really happy with that; it's super fun at the range. I rented a 617 at my range, and actually really liked it too, but wanted the aesthetic of blue steel and wood grips at the time.

Then I went and got the S&W 686-6 plus (7 shot) with a 5 inch barrel. That uses both .357 and .38 special, though I haven't put the latter through it yet. It's just a smoother better gun, and the trigger is the best I've felt on a revolver yet, both in single and double action. That's the one in my avatar. For me, the 5 inch barrel felt perfect.

Recently, I picked up a Uberti 1873 Cattleman "Bonney" in .45, which feels great dry, but haven't been able to find any ammo for it yet.

I can't compare any to the 586, as I haven't tried one of those yet, but maybe my experience will yield some insights for you.

Let us know what you end up getting!
 
Like you, I'm a relatively new gun hobbyist, since about May or June. I got the bug hard, and have purchased four since then, and have come to realize I really like revolvers. Since the Old West and the local range are kind of my jam, I wasn't concerned about carry either. I like the clicking and locking of the heavier metals over polymers, and I don't expect to be in a situation where carrying is relevant.

I won't advise on which to go with but can give my experience:

The GP 100 10 shot .22 was going to be my first revolver. I loved the feel and aesthetic, regardless of what others said about it being "overbuilt," but Scheel's had me in a second round of a 30 day delay, when I decided to get that money back and go to a local shop which had a Smith & Wesson Model 17-9. I'm really happy with that; it's super fun at the range. I rented a 617 at my range, and actually really liked it too, but wanted the aesthetic of blue steel and wood grips at the time.

Then I went and got the S&W 686-6 plus (7 shot) with a 5 inch barrel. That uses both .357 and .38 special, though I haven't put the latter through it yet. It's just a smoother better gun, and the trigger is the best I've felt on a revolver yet, both in single and double action. That's the one in my avatar. For me, the 5 inch barrel felt perfect.

Recently, I picked up a Uberti 1873 Cattleman "Bonney" in .45, which feels great dry, but haven't been able to find any ammo for it yet.

I can't compare any to the 586, as I haven't tried one of those yet, but maybe my experience will yield some insights for you.

Let us know what you end up getting!

Those are some nice guns! I went from I need a gun to protect my family to man this is fun I like to shoot! So now I have rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc. I think the revolvers look cool and it’d be fun to shoot one at the range at longer distances than the typical 7 yards I do with my 9mm.

I really love the look of the 586. The blued with wood grips just looks perfect to me. I like the stainless too of the 686, but think overall the 586 wins me over more. I see you got the plus model that holds one more round, those look cool.

What ammo brands have you run through your 686?

Try ammoseek.com for finding ammo. I’ve had good luck with that site. None of the stores near me ever have ammo, so online has been my go to since summer.
 
Those are some nice guns! I went from I need a gun to protect my family to man this is fun I like to shoot! So now I have rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc. I think the revolvers look cool and it’d be fun to shoot one at the range at longer distances than the typical 7 yards I do with my 9mm.

I really love the look of the 586. The blued with wood grips just looks perfect to me. I like the stainless too of the 686, but think overall the 586 wins me over more. I see you got the plus model that holds one more round, those look cool.

What ammo brands have you run through your 686?

Try ammoseek.com for finding ammo. I’ve had good luck with that site. None of the stores near me ever have ammo, so online has been my go to since summer.

So far I've only used Armscor .357 in the 686, since that's what was available. I'm not sure I would know whether it was good or bad, but it is certainly fun! I picked up a box of Aguila, and one of Blazer in .38 special, which I haven't tried yet. I'll check out ammoseek, thanks!

The 586 looks sharp! Sounds like that's what you should go for. I did the same progression, like many people recently. Got a Smith M&P Shield EZ 2.0 9mm to protect my family, and progressed to "this is fun and fascinating." The Shield is fine, but recoil is a little unwieldy. I think it's just too small and light. The revolvers are so much more fun for me. Here's all of mine. Top to bottom:
Uberti "Bonney"
Smith Model 17-9
Smith 686-6
Smith M&P Shield

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So far I've only used Armscor .357 in the 686, since that's what was available. I'm not sure I would know whether it was good or bad, but it is certainly fun! I picked up a box of Aguila, and one of Blazer in .38 special, which I haven't tried yet. I'll check out ammoseek, thanks!

The 586 looks sharp! Sounds like that's what you should go for. I did the same progression, like many people recently. Got a Smith M&P Shield EZ 2.0 9mm to protect my family, and progressed to "this is fun and fascinating." The Shield is fine, but recoil is a little unwieldy. I think it's just too small and light. The revolvers are so much more fun for me. Here's all of mine. Top to bottom:
Uberti "Bonney"
Smith Model 17-9
Smith 686-6
Smith M&P Shield

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Nice! That’s a nice collection of guns there! That SW 686 is very sharp!

I started with a Ruger 10/22 rifle. Then a Ruger PC Carbine. Shortly after that a Stoeger 12 gauge coach gun and a Mossberg Maverick 88 12 gauge. Recently I picked up a Ruger EC9S for carrying once my wife snd I get our CpL licenses. Already took the course, just have to get to the courthouse whenever they open back up from this covid lockdown crap.

My wife thought the recoil on the ec9s was a bit much snd said her wrist was sore after 30 rounds or so. She does like the gun and can shoot it well though. I put a lot of rounds through it and it doesn’t bother me at all. I also shoot slugs from the 12 gauge at the range which is loud as hell but fun haha!

That’s exactly how I am. It’s like...wow there has been this whole world of guns I never explored before, why didn’t I get into this earlier? Now I’m addicted and love shooting, reading about guns, watching videos, buying ammo and finding the best prices online (which all prices are pretty high right now).

I have to say for basic overall fun shooting, the .22 rifle is the most fun. No recoil, very accurate, easy to use, just an all around fun rifle. I’d recommend the 10/22 if you ever get into long guns.

Now I got the bug bad for a nice 586 haha! Joining this forum has been hard on my wallet haha!
 
I don't have the GP, but I have a 4" 586 and a 6" 686, both no-dash models. I would absolutely buy both again. If I were only getting one, I'd get the 6" for shooting, your choice of blued or stainless. And me, I'd find a nice no-dash gun. There is no sweeter .357 in the Smith, Ruger, or Colt lines, IMO.

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I agree, the 4” has better proportions, but I’m guessing the 6” barrel helps with accuracy quite a bit.
Not as much as you'd think, it doe up the velocity a good amount so long as you don't have an excessive cylinder gap. I don't have a Ruger or S&W .357, but I do have two Charter Arms .357's, a 4 inch and a 6 inch, both bought on gunbroker for under $300.

The 4 inch is a better shooter for me and that may be because of the larger Pachmyer grip that came with it or the super smooth trigger or the shorter barel, idk, but it shoots better.

Either barrel length would be fine for you, but I'm not so sure you'll like shooting .357. You may wind up finding yourself shooting .38 a lot more. I reload and load my .38's into +P+ territory because I can and because there's so much more free brass available to pick up at my range for free compared to .357.

Since it's just going to be a range gun, I would highly suggest looking at the Taurus 692. It's a .357 that has a spare 9mm cylinder and a ported barrel that really cuts down on recoil. It's on my list of guns to get in 2021.
 
The 586 is a sleeker, better finished gun than the GP100(IMO) but I do like my blued 4" GP100 and the SS GP100 5". The five inch is a great range gun.
 

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Which finish is easier to maintain? The stainless or blued? Both guns look great!
Since stainless is more rust resistant and scratches can be removed with the proper scotch bright pad or 600-800 wet/dry sandpaper, I'd say stainless. I'm partial to the look of a nicely blued revolver. If you take care of a blued revolver and aren't going to carry it, the blue finish will hold up well. Just keep a light coat of gun oil on it, don't store either in a leather holster or high humidity. Ruger doesn't spend a lot of time polishing before they blue it so if you look at the finish closely you'll see it's not polished completely smooth under blue. I use Renaissance Wax which is non abrasive on both guns to protect them and it improves the look of the blued GP. Make sure you inspect whichever revolver you choose. New gun's finishes and action can vary more than you'd think. Good luck and enjoy the search.
 
Which finish is easier to maintain? The stainless or blued? Both guns look great!

Stainless is definitely more forgiving, but a well-cared-for blued gun will last just as well. I have a 1935 Colt 22lr that was carried hunting by my great-grandfather and grandfather in more humid climates, and it never developed rust. 1123190927.jpg 1123190928.jpg 1123190929a.jpg
 
Well, I'm biased .
If I were you I'd go for a 4" gp100. I have a 6" gp100 and it is a very accurate good shooting gun ( by far my most used gun), it's just big, those extra couple of inches do make difference - both on the range and in the holster. 4" will be a bit easier for transport and could be carried if you decide you want to.

Why ruger?
I'm not going down that rat hole of strength, either revolver is substantially strong. Ruger is just a better company, plain and simple. I had a bad run with s&w revolvers and it left a bad taste in my mouth, instead of just replacing a gun that was defective , they just said it was in spec and was good to go. I've had a ruger need a trip back for a manufacturing defect and it was fixed immediately with no cost or questions.
As for the ergonomics, ruger wins IMO. The stub grip frame let's you use any kind of grip instead of the s&w design with an exposed backstrap , this limits the types of grips available . the ruger is a modern design and is way simpler to disassemble and has no sideplate where all the guts are. Rugers respond well to trigger jobs but often the triggers are fine out of the box, some are excellent - luck of the draw. A lot of s&w fan boys run off about terrible ruger triggers, nonsense - they need to shoot more.
Even rough ruger triggers do smooth out. The design will never equal a vintage colt or a custom but they still can be excellent in my book. Also don't listen to the guys who say the ruger is heavy, it's within an ounce or so of the smith equivalent- same thing, ruger haters kling to anything that they think makes them look clunky, chunky and rough, that's false.
I don't hate s&w but I won't buy their new revolvers, if I found a vintage gem for a fair price I might be interested , which is unlikely .


I just like the rugged no frills build of the ruger. Built like a tank, easy to work on, no need to cry if you beat it up a little.
 
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I like Smith & Wesson revolvers. Love their .357 offerings. But this
needs to be repeated over and over and over again and again and
again:

Well, I'm biased .
If I were you I'd go for a 4" gp100. I have a 6" gp100 and it is a very accurate good shooting gun ( by far my most used gun), it's just big, those extra couple of inches do make difference - both on the range and in the holster. 4" will be a bit easier for transport and could be carried if you decide you want to.

Why ruger?
I'm not going down that rat hole of strength, either revolver is substantially strong. Ruger is just a better company, plain and simple. I had a bad run with s&w revolvers and it left a bad taste in my mouth, instead of just replacing a gun that was defective , they just said it was in spec and was good to go. I've had a ruger need a trip back for a manufacturing defect and it was fixed immediately with no cost or questions.
As for the ergonomics, ruger wins IMO. The stub grip frame let's you use any kind of grip instead of the s&w design with an exposed backstrap , this limits the types of grips available . the ruger is a modern design and is way simpler to disassemble and has no sideplate where all the guts are. Rugers respond well to trigger jobs but often the triggers are fine out of the box, some are excellent - luck of the draw. A lot of s&w fan boys run off about terrible ruger triggers, nonsense - they need to shoot more.
Even rough ruger triggers do smooth out. The design will never equal a vintage colt or a custom but they still can be excellent in my book. Also don't listen to the guys who say the ruger is heavy, it's within an ounce or so of the smith equivalent- same thing, ruger haters kling to anything that they think makes them look clunky, chunky and rough, that's false.
I don't hate s&w but I won't buy their new revolvers, if I found a vintage gem for a fair price I might be interested , which is unlikely .


I just like the rugged no frills build of the ruger. Built like a tank, easy to work on, no need to cry if you beat it up a little.
 
Anyone here have a 586/686 and a 629 (.44 magnum)? What’s the recoil difference between the .357 and .44?
 
Anyone here have a 586/686 and a 629 (.44 magnum)? What’s the recoil difference between the .357 and .44?

For a "scientific" comparison, look at the foot pounds of energy as posted
by a manufacturer for a .357 vs. a .44. Naturally the guns have to be
similar in design, i.e. a Smith 6-inch .357 L-frame and a Smith 6-inch
N-frame with proportional weight. And the bullets have to be proportional
as well, i.e. a 158 grain .357 vs. a 240 grain .44. And you have to factor
in the speed at which you lose your hearing, permanently, without ear
protection indoors.
 
Anyone here have a 586/686 and a 629 (.44 magnum)? What’s the recoil difference between the .357 and .44?

In the mid-Eighties, I owned both a 686 and a 629, both 4”. Weight was similar, within an ounce or two, if I recall correctly The recoil is VERY much different. Not only is the .44 a very-noticeably more-powerful cartridge, on paper, but the larger frame of 629 means that the barrel is mounted higher, in relation to the gripping area, so the “bore axis” is higher above the hand, which means there is more leverage, to increase muzzle flip. I had the additional problem of my index finger being just a but too short to properly reach the face of the trigger of the larger weapon, in DA mode, unless I shifted my hand a bit, around the right side of the weapon, to get more finger on the trigger, but that meant my thumb received MUCH more of a hit, from the recoil. A shooter with a longer trigger finger would be able to hold the 629 properly, and offer a more-direct, apples-to-apples comparison.

I believe that much of the arthritis in my left thumb, hand, and wrist, that started bothering me in the Nineties, and got much worse in 2011, by age fifty, was due to my shooting .44 and .41 Magnums, during the Eighties, using N-Frame revolvers, with my K-/L-Frame-sized hands. I learned DA shooting with the 686, and the similar, but fixed-sight Model 581, in late 1983 and early 1984, while attending a police academy. This was when S&W was owned by Bangor Punta, a sad era for S&W quality control. My 686 had a gritty trigger action. The 581 and 629 were much better.

Well, anyway, I was dumb enough, at the time*, to buy into the idea that “stopping power” meant that the bore had to start with “four,” so carried the 629 during my first year of sworn service, and was masochistic enough to practice, diligently. I switched to a 9mm duty/carry pistol, for a few months, to let my hand heal, then returned to using a big bore, a .41 Magnum Model 58, for five years. By 1990, I had a better understanding of the importance of holding a handgun properly in line with the forearm bones. I retired my Model 58, and started three years of using .45 duty/carry auto-pistols that fit my hands. I returned to using revolvers for duty and personal carry, in 1993. This time, it was a 4” GP100, with the fully-lugged barrel, and adjustable sights. (Each of the .45 autos had presented me with problems.)

On a young street cop’s salary, I could not afford to accumulate many handguns, unless I sold or traded, so the 686 and 581 went away, first, in the mid-Eighties, soon followed by the 629. A Model 657, a stainless steel .41 Mag, and. Ruger Redhawk, also .41 Mag, came and went, by 1990. I kept the one Model 58, for sentimental reasons, as it served as my duty revolver during very interesting times. I do not really miss the 686, with its rough action, and barrel that was threaded so that the front sight leaned, at an angle, but I would pay a thousand-plus dollars to have that same smooth Model 581 back in my hands, assuming it has not been abused. (They are quite collectible, so, asking prices are high.)

Which is better; 686 or GP100? Well, a properly-built 686 is wonderful. My first 686 was not a shining example of S&W quality control, but it was ordered, sight unseen, during the police academy, from an LE distributor, to be my duty sixgun. I have very nearly bought a properly-selected “replacement” 686, or a blued Model 586, several times. A good sample of GP100 is also a thing of beauty, and, the original-pattern factory grip is an absolutely perfect fit, in my hand, whereas I have to use an aftermarket grip on S&W revolvers, an added expense, to get a best fit.

*I later learned to appreciate that .357 Magnum is quite effective for human adversaries.
 
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Thanks! Maybe I’ll try a .44 one day, but it sounds like the .357 is plenty.

This would be a target fun gun, not a home defense gun. But I “hear” what you’re saying about the hearing protection indoors haha!

I stayed up late last night watching videos and reading about the GP100. That gun looks awesome. Both that and the S&W 586/686 are great looking guns. Hard to decide.
 
I stayed up late last night watching videos and reading about the GP100. That gun looks awesome. Both that and the S&W 586/686 are great looking guns. Hard to decide.

Well, if you hang around with us long enough you will probably end up buying both at some point so for now just flip a coin. Or start cruising gun shows or your local gun pusher's counter and grab which ever one you see first.
 
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