First they came to Chip the Soldiers

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I will refuse. No long explanation necessary. Period.

Company trying to get under soldiers’ skin

David Francis and Bill Myers, The Examiner

WASHINGTON - A microchip company with powerful political connections is lobbying the Pentagon for the right to implant chips under the skins of the nearly 1.4 million U.S. military personnel.

VeriChip Corp., which is based in Florida and planning to offer its stock to the public soon, has been one of the most aggressive marketers of radio frequency identification chips. Company officials have touted the chips as versatile, able to be used in a variety of situations such as helping track illegal immigrants or giving doctors immediate access to patient’s medical records.

Now the company is “in discussions” with the Pentagon, spokeswoman Nicole Philbin said. She added that VeriChip wants to insert the chips under the skin of the right arms of U.S. servicemen and servicewomen. The idea is to be able to scan an arm and obtain that person’s identity and medical history.

“The potential for this technology doesn’t just stop at the civilian level,” Philbin said.

VeriChip hopes that the chips will replace the metal dog tags that have been worn by U.S. military personnel since 1906.

The company has political muscle in the form of Tommy Thompson. A former secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, Thompson is a partner at the lobbying law firm of Akin Gump and is a director of VeriChip.

Thompson said he’s sure that the chip is safe and that no one — not even military personnel, who are required by law to follow orders — will be forced to accept an implant against his or her will. He has also promised to have a chip implanted in himself.

But reached for comment Friday, he wouldn’t say when he was going to have the implant.

“I’m extremely busy and I’m waiting until my hospitals and doctors are able to run some screens,” he said.

The technology is not foreign to the Pentagon. The Department of Defense spent $100 million on similar chips that track supplies and has also attached microchips to dog tags.

But the idea of implanting the chips in live bodies has some veterans’ groups and privacy advocates worried.

“It needs further study,” said Joe Davis, a retired Air Force major and a spokesman for the D.C. office of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

Liz McIntyre, author of a book critical of the chips, said that VeriChip is “a huge threat” to public privacy.

“They’re circling like vultures for any opportunity to get into our flesh,” McIntyre said. “They’ll start with people who can’t say no, like the elderly, sex offenders, immigrants and the military. Then they’ll come knocking on our doors.”

The chip also is drawing attention from Congress.

“If that is what the Defense Department has in mind for our troops in Iraq, there are many questions that need answers,” Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said in an e-mail to The Examiner.

“What checks and balances, safeguards and congressional oversight would there be?” Leahy wrote. “What less-invasive alternatives are there? What information would be entered on the chips, and could it endanger our soldiers or be intercepted by the enemy?”

The company is not so sure about the technology, either. According to company documents, radio frequencies in ambulances and helicopters could disrupt the chips’ transmissions.

In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, VeriChip also said it was unsure whether the chip would dislodge and move through a person’s body. It could also cause infections and “adverse tissue reactions,” the SEC filing states.

But Philbin downplayed the danger of the chips.

“It’s the size of a grain of rice,” she said. “It’s like getting a shot of penicillin.”


http://www.examiner.com/a-232630~Company_trying_to_get_under_soldiers__skin.html
 
All in the name of security.

I have wondered if this wouldn't be ok.

Perhaps, just while in "theater"?

I like the idea of swallowing a transmitter...preferably a 'single use'.... or one secreted about my gear.
 
More and more it looks as if the world of the future will be divided between the fascists and the anarchists. And they will fight to the death. We will all have to choose soon between "progress" and "regress."
 
Verichip has a sketchy history, and a dubious grasp of privacy. I'd bet this is more of a press stunt to boost their IPO than a serious plan. They've also been trying to sell these things for implantation in your elderly parents and children so that you can keep an eye on them.

For soldiers it seems like a double edged sword; Yes it'd let you instantaneously monitor individual soldier's locations on the battlefield (no more of this kidnapping BS), but so could anyone else that hacked the system. Seems like a huge risk for negligible gain.
 
We've evolved a world controlled by bean-counters. You'll pardon me if I choose not to be one of their "beans."

The control freaks, no matter what flag they're running, need to be stopped.
 
At some point, I expect a federal law requiring all children and babies to be chipped - to save them from kidnapping, of course.

They won't have to. If they make it cheap enough lots of parents will do it as a preventative measure.

"I never have to worry about my little Joey going missing."
 
They won't have to. If they make it cheap enough lots of parents will do it as a preventative measure.
"I never have to worry about my little Joey going missing."
How does it prevent anything?
Does it prevent the non-custodial parent from running off with the kid? Is it a sort of lo-jack device?
How close does law-enforcement need to be to read it? Can a chip in the house be read from the street? Can a chip in the car be read from a lamppost? Can it be read from space?
What's involved in removing a chip? A little cut with a sharp blade?
Can the chip be reprogrammed easily? Can it be counterfeited?

We always have a choice. Always. Just pay the price.
Easy to say. But for some family guy with 18 years in Army or Police, "take the chip or lose your job and pension" is not much of a choice.

Regards.
 
Easier to say than do, that's true.

But it always come down to the same thing, doesn't it? The "price" can be mitigated by people banding together and saying NO in concert. In everything we face today the issue is the same: can we pull together to defend our rights against "them?"
 
I expect that my nepews are chipped.

My B-i-L is a bit...off. Won't allow wife or kids to go downtown, won't allow them to play outside of the 8' metal fence. Has stated that he would chip them once the technology is ready.
 
Actually, I don't mind if soliders are chipped as long as it, voluntary, and can be removed when the soliders returns to civilian life. Though I am completely against it being used in the civilian world. It could be used on prisoners, but with the same conditions as above for soliders.

Thinking about it actually might be a good idea for use on soliders, if the part of the body is missing where the chip was implanted how could they ID the body. At least with a metal tag it would more the likly survive the trama.
 
"But it always come down to the same thing, doesn't it? The "price" can be mitigated by people banding together and saying NO in concert. In everything we face today the issue is the same: can we pull together to defend our rights against "them?""

Therein lies the reason for the 'divide and conquer' tactics the Left has been subjecting us to for all these years. Gradually, "we" have become a smaller group while the number of such groups has increased.
I know a local man, a gun owner and hunter, who has no problem with laws that restrict the ownership of semi-auto rifles of military design, the so called "assault rifles." so long as there are no similar restrictions on his Benelli shotgun.

:cuss:
 
This would be like refusing the Anthrax Vaccine.

Which I refused. Not a big deal. They gave me one shot out of four, and I got rhabdomyolysis. Know what that is? It's a rapid and uncontrollable depletion of muscle tissue. Takes less than 24 hours to disable a man. I got treated, and when the next round of vaccines came around I said, no, thanks.
I got counseled, screamed at, threatened, and put on restriction. I still said no. End result? I'm still in the Navy, and haven't gotten Anthrax.
 
I am much more concerned about the potential abuses of the cell phone tracking capabilities, those with the little GPS chips installed that broadcast your location.... At least they aren't planted under your skin... yet...
 
And they will fight to the death. We will all have to choose soon between "progress" and "regress."

I'm going to sit that one out even if it takes living with penguins or
polar bears......

For soldiers it seems like a double edged sword; Yes it'd let you instantaneously monitor individual soldier's locations on the battlefield (no more of this kidnapping BS),

"Sir, Pvt Ryan hasn't moved for a while."

"Send in a drone and tell me what you see."

"Ummm, Sir, I see a bloody arm and a scimitar laying on the ground, but
not the rest of Pvt Ryan."

"Dammit, not another one....we'll have to wait for another one of those
one-armed hostage videos before we contact the next of kin."

"Yes, sir. I'll send them an email as soon as it makes the Al Jazeera...."

"Who's next in line in the conex?"

you will not have a choice, thats how it works.

Like an animal stuck in a trap I could always chew off my right arm.
LOL, they'd just stick one in my left arm, issue me an M9, and lower
the score for qualification.

Anyone seen "Boxing Helena"? Here's a free idea for someone who wants
to develop it: How about a version of BH where Helena is Lady Liberty?
 
steveracer,

I got sent into theater with an active case of cellulitis that occured right at
the injection site (I won't say which vac). I knew it was a good one when
the dr got his buddies to check it out: "You guys need to see this one.
Don't touch it. See how it's moving down the muscles in his arm." LOL, the
dr tells me to take some pills, keep it clean, and be careful about putting any
pressure on it. "Doc, that's going to be hard to do when I'm living in a
portajohn and wearing IBA....." Try to imagine 2 lbs of ground chuck in a skin
bag and that's how my upper arm looked. Oh, well, get on the plane......
good news is the cellulitis didn't take my arm nor an IED. Hooah.....

On a positive note, we (at least my unit) were allowed to decline the anthrax
vaccine. If not, I could have seen how my other arm would have held up.
"Hey, look guys, they match now!" :D "Nice, Thin, now you're the knuckle
dragger we always knew you were." :neener:
 
Jesus!

Thin, I hear you. I had a doctor flown into our AO to check my blood tests because she didn't believe I could have Rhabdo. She kept telling me it wasn't possible, and that I shouldn't have this illness. I said, "No S%&#! I shouldn't have ANY illness at this point. Gonna fix it?"
That was recieved poorly.
 
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