First time using "BLO"/ boiled linseed oil. Intervals should be how long?

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It's lightly-stained (at a factory) American walnut furniture, used on the Zastava ZPAP.

The first layer was applied with the excess wiped away ten minutes later, on a clean cloth.

Most people recommend waiting 24 hours between the first two or three coats?

I don't know how many layers to apply, but hope that up to four or five, at the right intervals, will allow some absorption.
 
I'm just finishing up on a rifle stock. According to GunnyUSMC BLO is not suppose to be applied so that it's sits on the surface. It's more of a wood treatment. He has instructed me to :

1st coat , Bone it first. This a coat that is applied with saturated OOOO steel wool, scrubbing lightly. Let sit for 30 min then wipe off excess, let dry for 24hrs.
2nd. Coat is called a Polish coat. This is done by hand rubbing in the BLO till you feel heat in your hands. Let sit for 30 min, then wipe off excess. Let it dry for 48 hrs. Then you test with a paper towel. Rub in few spots and see if the white towel changes color. If so let dry for another 24 hrs. If not dry it will make the wax turn milky.

Final coat is Tom's 1/3 mix military stock wax or J&J Paste Wax for floors. Apply let sit for 30 min then buff with a dry cloth.
 
24 hours is a good rule of thumb, but climate dictates. In hotter and drier times of the year, you can get away with more, but what's the rush?

The old stand by for number of coats was "once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year."
 
PLEASE remember to properly dispose of those rags after using. The best is to submerge them in water, then discard after a couple days. So many fires have been started because of them. BLO continues to oxidize after use, when exposed to air. Which generates heat enough to cause combustion.
 
"Bone it"? The lingo lost me.

The young guy (mgmt) at the local woodworking store told me that no sanding is needed, if that's what boning is.

I saw plenty of precautions about the combustible rags on two Youtube videos, Google gun chat, and read the instructions on the bottle. Thanks.

There's no rush.
 
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...The old stand by for number of coats was "once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year."
And once a year for life.

For things that are used outside like guns, reapply when visibly dry as well.

As to initial coats: Do not oil finishes when in anything resembling a rush* :) Reapply about every day for... a few days. If it doesn't take, give it two days. If it doesn't take well because you have 3-4 coats on, you are done. Try again in a week or two.



* Actually, I say the same for most finishes. Plain vanilla spraypaint works surprisingly great, very sturdy, if you prep like hell, apply, then do not literally touch it for 10-14days.
 
Sorry, been a little tight up today, had to get this project out of the way.
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Now back on topic.
There is more then one way to skin a cat and even more ways to apply a BLO, and other oil finishes.
A lot of time things will very, depending on the type of wood, condition of the wood, the climate, and the oil that you are using.
Every time I here someone quote, “One coat a day for a week, one coat a week for a year and one coat a year for life.” I cringe:mad: That’s good advice if you’re trying to oil soak a stock and make it heavy.
Your basic oil finish is oil that is rubbed into the wood and cures just below the surface and is then protected by a wax top coat.
@Blue68f100 did pretty good but but some info may have been lost in translation.;)
He mentioned Boning. Boning is rubbing down the surface with a smooth bone, or hardwood dowel to smoothen and compress the surface. This is done on older military stocks so that you don’t sand away the patina, which is the aged surface of the wood.
A basic BLO finish should take no more then a week or two to finish. The key is to not over oil the stock and allow drying time between coats.
When I say coats, I’m not talking about applying layers on top of layers. A coat just refers to another application of oil.
If you’re stock is smooth, start off with a wet coat. This coat is applied very wet. You will want to rub it in but keep the stock wet as you keep rubbing. Do this by hand with some type of thin gloves. After you have rubbed it in good, set the stock aside to rest. Give it 30 min. to soak up some of the oil. Now take a look at the stock. You will see one of three things. A wet stock. A stock with wet spots, or a dry stock. These three things have to do with the condition of the stock. Some stocks will soak up more oil then others.
Now wipe the stock dry. Even if the stock looks dry, wipe it down. I like to use paper towels for whipping down the stock.
Now you need to allow the oil time to dry. In most cases this will only take 24 hours, but can take longer depending on the climate. It is not that important that the oil in the stock to be completely dry at this point.
Now rub in another wet cost, but not to wet. Rub it in good until you start to feel your palms getting warm. Once done, let the stock relax for 30 min. and the wipe dry and let it dry for 24 hours. Remember, your time may very.
Now you’re ready to start putting the finial touches to your finish. Remember, you’re not trying to soak the stock. What you want to do now is a polish coat. A polish coat is very easy and takes very little oil. You want to put just enough oil on the stock to get it slightly damp. This is best to do in sections. Apply a little oil and rub the hell out of it. You want to feel the wood getting hot. This will cause the color in the wood to come out. Once you have finished hand polishing the coat of oil in, the stock should look almost dry. Let it relax for 30 min. and wipe it down. And let it dry. You can apply another polish coat, or go to a wax top coat. If you want another polish coat, wait 24 hours.
Your final step. The wax top coat. This is what will protect your oil finish and will need to be reapplied depending on how much the rifle is used.
You want to be sure that the oil in the stock is dry before applying a wax top coat. If you apply the wax to soon, it will turn milky in a few days. The wax will need to be removed, another polish coat done and the apply the wax top coat when the stock is dry.
To tell if your stock is dry, let it sit for 48 hours. Then rub a few spots on the stock with a dry paper towel. If oil comes off the stock, wait another 24 hours and do another test rub. Once the oil does not rub off, it has cured and you are ready to apply the wax top coat.
For military stocks I prefer Tom’s 1/3 Mix Military Stock Wax. It will give you that nice wax coat without the shiny finish. You can use a paste wax, but they tend to give you a shiny finish.
Note: I didn’t forget about the oil scrub. The oil scrub is used for a couple of reasons. One is when you’re dealing with a stock that is a little rough but you want it a little smoother, or if you have a laminated stock that is not quite smooth. A scrub coat is like a wet coat but rubbed in with 0000 Steel wool. Just remember not to scrub to hard.
Now over the years I’ve had several people tell me that I didn’t know what I was talking about, or didn’t know what I was doing. Just about all of these people had very little experience in applying oil finishes. I’ve done close to a thousand oil finishes in the last 35 years.
One day I might do a post on how to do an axial grease finish. I learned it from an old German WWII Vet.
 
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GunnyUSMC,

Nice work on the wood lathe. My dad used to play with one years ago. He made salad bowls, table legs just to name a few. My brother inherited all of his wood working tools, but does not have a place to move them too. So his Shop Smith and all the attachments alone with all his other power tools are still in my shop. I've played around with the lathe. But I'm more into metal working. I have a knee bend end mill, and lathe among other tools. One of these days I may find a surface grinder and a few other wishful tools. Just don't have the current need to justify it right now. I just sent them to a gunsmith friend of mine that has one.
 
I did forget to cover the part about rags and BLO.
#1 If you’re using a rag to apply BLO on a stock, you’re doing it wrong.
#2 Rags and paper towels used to wipe off BLO from stocks don’t tend to get soaked. If they do, then you’re putt to much oil on your stock.
#3 How many of y’all have ever had BLO soaked rags catch on fire? In 35 years, I’ve never had it happen, even with rags used to wipe up spills. And I’ve never soaked them in water.
#4 BLO does heat up as it dries, but the conditions have to be just right for it to catch on fire. Waded up BLO soaked rags in a small garbage can filled with other combustable materials might do the trick.
Try a little experiment. Get a cardboard box. Fill it with paper and other things that burn easily, and then add a couple of BLO soaked rags. Then see how long it will take to catch fire. If you watch it, be sure to get a chair and some beer because, you’re going to be in for a long wait.
 
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Gunny's post #9 above is worthy of a BLO "how-to" article. Actually, I think he should write a whole "how-to" book on gun stock finishing. He's giving it away here for free. ;)
If you search the post where I’ve covered, or talked about applying an oil finish, you can bet that there’s a 99% chance that what I post is just off the top of my head. I don’t have a database that I can go to to cut and paste something I wrote awhile back. I also not the type of guy that will tell you to just go search for something. I don’t mind answering questions. If I feel that an old post is important, I will look it up and post a link to it.
I like to feel as if we’re sitting around in my shop shooting the Bull. There are many tweaks that can be done to an oil finish to get a desired look or feel.
I haven’t been on much today, had company, @dh1633pm dropped buy for a visit. We spent most of the day just hanging out and shooting the Bull. Had a wonderful day.
If y’all have questions, please feel free to ask, I’m always willing to help when I can. But remember, I’m just a regular guy that likes to play with guns like most of y’all.:)
 
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Great info, I have a brand new M1A walnut stock that I want to put a protective finish on. It currently has a dull finish and the BLO sounds like the perfect finish for it.
Thanks Gunny
 
First, what type of finish is on the stock? It will most likely need to be stripped off first.
Looks like at has maybe a oil finish but dry and dull looking, I don't really know. I bought this stock from Midwest Gun works to replace the poly stock on my scout rifle. 20201223_110325.jpg
 
Have you ever done an alcohol scrub? This is done with 0000 steel wool and denatured alcohol. Put the alcohol in a cup and dip your steel wool in it and lightly scrub the stock, be sure to keep it wet. This should be enough to remove dirt, oil and the thin finish on the stock. Wipe the stock down once finished and allow to dry. If your stock dries and looks like dry bare wood, start your finish. If the stock dries with what looks like white chalky stuff on the surface, you will need to strip the stock with a stripper.
 
Have you ever done an alcohol scrub? This is done with 0000 steel wool and denatured alcohol. Put the alcohol in a cup and dip your steel wool in it and lightly scrub the stock, be sure to keep it wet. This should be enough to remove dirt, oil and the thin finish on the stock. Wipe the stock down once finished and allow to dry. If your stock dries and looks like dry bare wood, start your finish. If the stock dries with what looks like white chalky stuff on the surface, you will need to strip the stock with a stripper.
No, its just like I received it, it has not even been in the field. I will do the scrub and proceed from there. I have all the stuff needed, now I just need to get to work on it.
Thanks for the information
 
I put BLO on some Herriott grips for my Ruger Service Six back in the late 1970s. I stripped the factory finish off, it was the color of peanut butter. It may have had 4 coats over a 2 year period, then one every 5-8 years. Last one was probably 10 years ago now.
 

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During the early to mid 90s my wife and I owned a brick and mortar gun shop. My niche was M1 Garand rifles and reloading components. Back then M1 Garand rifles were pouring into the country and could be had for about $250. Most had oil soaked (almost black) wood. Here is the method I used to clean the wood.

I used a deep sink and would add about a one pound container of TSP (Tri Sodium Phosphate) available as a cleaner in any hardware, home improvement store. I would fill the sink with scalding hot water and add the TSP.

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Yes, that is a large rock holding stocks down and a green scotch brite pad. I let the wood soak for about 30 min and would scotch brite it, then another 30 min and repeat. After about 1.5 hours I would remove the wood and rinse.

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I then laid the wood out to dry. The lighter stock is a GI birch stock frequently called The Orange Wood used on later post WWII Garands.

Once dried a pass with 0000 steel wool. At this point I used either tung oil or boiled linseed oil. I also started using Birchwood Casey Tru Oil. The Tru Oil seems to be a BLO but with a drying agent added. I would hand rub it in, let it dry, a few passes with 000 steel wool and repeat till I had what I wanted. A little 3 ounce bottle would do a half dozen high luster finishes.

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The end result comes out like this:

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The upper rifle is walnut. Working with the oil you can actually get to a mirror like glass finish. I always hand rubbed the oil and wiped my hands with a rag and isopropanol alcohol. I liked the Tru Oil because it was faster drying than just plain boiled linseed oil. I also had a place (something creek maybe) in PA I sent parts to for Parkerizing but so long ago. On average we would have 25 Garands in the place at a time for sale. If I had a receiver I could build another gun or two. :)

Ron
 
During the early to mid 90s my wife and I owned a brick and mortar gun shop. My niche was M1 Garand rifles and reloading components. Back then M1 Garand rifles were pouring into the country and could be had for about $250. Most had oil soaked (almost black) wood. Here is the method I used to clean the wood.

I used a deep sink and would add about a one pound container of TSP (Tri Sodium Phosphate) available as a cleaner in any hardware, home improvement store. I would fill the sink with scalding hot water and add the TSP.

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Yes, that is a large rock holding stocks down and a green scotch brite pad. I let the wood soak for about 30 min and would scotch brite it, then another 30 min and repeat. After about 1.5 hours I would remove the wood and rinse.

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I then laid the wood out to dry. The lighter stock is a GI birch stock frequently called The Orange Wood used on later post WWII Garands.

Once dried a pass with 0000 steel wool. At this point I used either tung oil or boiled linseed oil. I also started using Birchwood Casey Tru Oil. The Tru Oil seems to be a BLO but with a drying agent added. I would hand rub it in, let it dry, a few passes with 000 steel wool and repeat till I had what I wanted. A little 3 ounce bottle would do a half dozen high luster finishes.

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The end result comes out like this:

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The upper rifle is walnut. Working with the oil you can actually get to a mirror like glass finish. I always hand rubbed the oil and wiped my hands with a rag and isopropanol alcohol. I liked the Tru Oil because it was faster drying than just plain boiled linseed oil. I also had a place (something creek maybe) in PA I sent parts to for Parkerizing but so long ago. On average we would have 25 Garands in the place at a time for sale. If I had a receiver I could build another gun or two. :)

Ron
I remember you posting this info before. Back when you were doing this, it was what customers wanted. Even in the 80’s people wanted that high luster shine on their stocks.
But as you know, time change. Nowadays people want their rifles to look like they did when they were in service. They are more into the collectors value the having a nice pretty range gun.
I have three Garands in my collection one is the Winchester that I restored that I got from CMP. Another was the old trashed out VFW funeral rifle that was given to my. About the only thing worth saving was the action. I had it completely rebuilt. It’s a fine rifle. The third one is pretty much refinished like you used to do. My father in law was an old Gunsmith and loved Tru-oil. It’s a pretty range rifle and shoots like a dream.
BLO does have a dryer added to it. But it’s just to help the oil dry faster. Raw linseed oil takes months to dry. Try-Oil has a catalyst added to it to make it dry hard and the finish can be built up in layers, giving you that deep shiny finish. But in fact it is not an oil finish.
I still get request for Tru-Oil finishes from time to time, but only one or two in the last Ten years. But I do keep Tru-Oil on hand for repairs.
 
I still get request for Tru-Oil finishes from time to time, but only one or two in the last Ten years. But I do keep Tru-Oil on hand for repairs.
I still have 3 ounce bottles from the shop. Pretty sure it has maybe a 100 year shelf life. :) Knew you had the Winchester, I remember sending you a Winchester trigger housing. :) Still have and wear the cool bracelets, I agree as to the luster, I would just finish with a 0000 steel wool to remove the high shine luster. People no longer want that mirror finish. Today I wish I still had so many that I sold but as my wife pointed out, you can't keep them all. :)

Ron
 
I don’t
I still have 3 ounce bottles from the shop. Pretty sure it has maybe a 100 year shelf life. :) Knew you had the Winchester, I remember sending you a Winchester trigger housing. :) Still have and wear the cool bracelets, I agree as to the luster, I would just finish with a 0000 steel wool to remove the high shine luster. People no longer want that mirror finish. Today I wish I still had so many that I sold but as my wife pointed out, you can't keep them all. :)

Ron
I don’t make many of the bracelets anymore, the nerve damage in my shoulder has gotten worse and really makes it hard to tie them.
I have another one of those old VFW rifles sitting in my shop with the stock painted black and a swear pipe for a barrel. I plan to send it off to have it rebuilt, to give to a friend as a gift. He’s a old Marine buddy.
 
I don’t

I don’t make many of the bracelets anymore, the nerve damage in my shoulder has gotten worse and really makes it hard to tie them.
I have another one of those old VFW rifles sitting in my shop with the stock painted black and a swear pipe for a barrel. I plan to send it off to have it rebuilt, to give to a friend as a gift. He’s a old Marine buddy.
Old Marine buddies always welcome a Garand gift. Now I do recall you telling me about that shoulder. Take care Gunny and later. :)

Ron
 
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