FL Families Shoot It Out ... Over Dating Teens
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ddj8052
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Blackburn, If you think the quote on genetics was not racist than you need to improve your reading comprehension skills. That was clearly a racist statment. Also I did not feel like going back through and quoting every single racist comment in this entire thread. It is unfortuante that there is so much of this on these gun forums. What is even more amazing, is that even educated people will rise to the defense of these bigots.
KnightHawk67
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DDJ,
How is saying that the children of 2 groups of hot tempered people that would be caught in the middle of all that hatred for each other is racist?
How is saying that the children of 2 groups of hot tempered people that would be caught in the middle of all that hatred for each other is racist?
Seriously though, that quote was most likely tongue in cheek regarding that all the generations involved seem so violence prone and stupid. I didn't see anything mentioning "those MEXICANS being genetically prone to violence", and I bet if that same quote had been used about a bunch of hillbillies that did this you wouldn't have said a word.
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ddj, he was referring to the grandparents as being idiots, and idiocy transcends all races. Lighten up.
30 cal slob
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I'm an anti-hoplophobe. 
ddj8052
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Blackburn, Your are probably right as the racial overtones would not have been present in your example. And like I said, race aside this is a dumb bunch of people, granted. What you are refusing to acknoledge is everythig leading up to this idiotic comment. You have the police officer with his earlier comments in this post. His shield should be removed. You have the other poster who stated that this is a result of race. These people are uneducated bigots. They make all of us gun owners look bad. The fact that anyone defends these idiots is completly unbelievable. Many of these same people have familly members in their backgrounds who imigrated here illegally from places like Ireland, Scotland, England, etc. So forgive me for being one of the few people that will stand up, even if this black lists me for most people on this and other forums.
30Cal
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That's scary! Is that the going rate in FL for shooting 6 people? My prior landlord got picked up on a drunk-and-disorderly and they set his bail at $200,000.
I totally respect your perspective, dd, and I'm glad you have the courage to speak up about it instead of keeping quiet. I'm generally anti anti-immigration people myself, if they're the ones who slam all hispanic immigrants and say that they're polluting our culture and such. Balderdash. That's the same thing that got said about Jews, Irish, etc.
However... you do agree that people who come here illegally tend to be more apt to commit criminal acts than those who didn't.
Back in the 1900s it took hard work and dedication to get here, from a hemisphere away. I'm afraid it's not the case anymore.
However... you do agree that people who come here illegally tend to be more apt to commit criminal acts than those who didn't.
Back in the 1900s it took hard work and dedication to get here, from a hemisphere away. I'm afraid it's not the case anymore.
38SnubFan
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To those whom it may concern:
I didn't post to make myself racist, and I AM NOT a racist. In fact, I work with many people and have many friends who are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. I also have friends who are "alternative lifestyle" (gay, lesbian, bisexual). I was merely stating that by statistics, minorities - especially those in low-income settings, are more prone to violence.
In layman's terms: You cannot argue facts.
-38SnubFan
I didn't post to make myself racist, and I AM NOT a racist. In fact, I work with many people and have many friends who are black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. I also have friends who are "alternative lifestyle" (gay, lesbian, bisexual). I was merely stating that by statistics, minorities - especially those in low-income settings, are more prone to violence.
In layman's terms: You cannot argue facts.
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Your right, they couldnt POSSIBLY have been Cubans or anything in florida, not that it has any bearing on the story whatsoever. Furthermore, migrant workers usually don't live in the same place for over a year (look up the word 'migrant').
As an obvious expert on Mexicans in general and migrant workers in particular perhaps you can fill us in on exactly what makes this group so much more likely to engage in such time-honored behavior (so classical that it appears in a shakesperian tragedy that was historical WHEN WRITTEN) than any other ethnic or soceieconomical group.
thorn726
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DARN it! just when i thought i'd get to throw out a "this is your typical southern behavior"
, Finally getting a decent shot back for all the anti CA heapings, they're latinos.
well, i just want to know this- did they rage Spanish? if so, and they were poor, well, you can chock it up to 3rd world family politics
BUT if any of those people say "Y'All"
-Guess what buddies! they're yers!! , and i have seen quite a few latinos in the south who were more American than anything, quite the possibilty here.
so let's drop the race card and start playing the region card.
hahahahahah
as far as i am concerned- they aRE the Hatfields and McoYs.
funny how this thread went from wow, these ridculous people and their guns to "this race that race"
, Finally getting a decent shot back for all the anti CA heapings, they're latinos.
well, i just want to know this- did they rage Spanish? if so, and they were poor, well, you can chock it up to 3rd world family politics
BUT if any of those people say "Y'All"
-Guess what buddies! they're yers!! , and i have seen quite a few latinos in the south who were more American than anything, quite the possibilty here.
so let's drop the race card and start playing the region card.
hahahahahah
as far as i am concerned- they aRE the Hatfields and McoYs.
funny how this thread went from wow, these ridculous people and their guns to "this race that race"
Cool Hand Luke 22:36
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No, California still has the most weirdness of any State,
No, California todavÃa tiene la mayorÃa del weirdness de cualquier estado.
BluesBear
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Where is Sally Struthers when we need her?
Why is it that the only thing stupid people seem to be able do really well is breed?
The CSNSP needs you. Won't you please help?
Send your tax deductible donation to;
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Why is it that the only thing stupid people seem to be able do really well is breed?
The CSNSP needs you. Won't you please help?
Send your tax deductible donation to;
Citizens for the Spaying and Neutering of Stupid People.
PO Box UR12
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Thank you.
The Prime Directive
"Why is it that the only thing stupid people seem to be able do really well is breed?"
Because it requires NO skill and NO intelligence; only compliance with biologically hard-wired behavior.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never been to Probate & Family Court..........
"Why is it that the only thing stupid people seem to be able do really well is breed?"
Because it requires NO skill and NO intelligence; only compliance with biologically hard-wired behavior.
Anyone who thinks otherwise has obviously never been to Probate & Family Court..........
30 cal slob
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For what it's worth...
All the Mexicans (and Latinos of recent vintage for the matter) I see around me here in the Northeast seem to be hardworking, productive citizens (legal or not).
They take dangerous and dirty jobs that nobody else wants to do, for downright cheap pay.
Most of the guys I see are landscaping workers. They mow lawns, trim trees, spread mulch and fertilizer. They sweat their gazoongas off, they get bit by deer ticks and catch lyme disease, get attacked by rabid animals, have their fingers chopped off by mower blades, get eyes damaged by flying debris, and sometimes die. Just the other day, our local newspaper reported of a young Mexican contractor who died falling from a tree he was pruning.
They live in crowded, communal settings to save $$$, work unbelievably hard, and send money back home to family. I can't help but respect that.
I don't know about elsewhere, but the Northeast is a tough place for Mexicans (Latins) to be farting around. For one thing, it gets too cold to do that.
There is one stereotype that seems to hold true for Mexicans.
To the man, they are all soccer nuts.
All the Mexicans (and Latinos of recent vintage for the matter) I see around me here in the Northeast seem to be hardworking, productive citizens (legal or not).
They take dangerous and dirty jobs that nobody else wants to do, for downright cheap pay.
Most of the guys I see are landscaping workers. They mow lawns, trim trees, spread mulch and fertilizer. They sweat their gazoongas off, they get bit by deer ticks and catch lyme disease, get attacked by rabid animals, have their fingers chopped off by mower blades, get eyes damaged by flying debris, and sometimes die. Just the other day, our local newspaper reported of a young Mexican contractor who died falling from a tree he was pruning.
They live in crowded, communal settings to save $$$, work unbelievably hard, and send money back home to family. I can't help but respect that.
I don't know about elsewhere, but the Northeast is a tough place for Mexicans (Latins) to be farting around. For one thing, it gets too cold to do that.
There is one stereotype that seems to hold true for Mexicans.
To the man, they are all soccer nuts.
Dorrin79
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Way to take the High Road.
Do minorities commit more crimes per capita? Sure. But so do undereducated urban (and rural, for that matter) white people who live close to the poverty line.
There is a strong correlation between poverty, (lack of) education and criminal behavior. Due to the fact that black and (to a lesser degree) hispanic folks tend to be less educated and lower-income-status that the average American, those groups are over-represented in crime statistics. So were Irish people back when they were our favorite 'keep them out!' immigrant group.
Pointing out that minority groups commit more per-capita crime is not in and of itself racist - it's a fact. Making claims like 'what do you expect from Mexicans?' is racist, and definitely not the High Road.
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jlwatts3
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They play this game on love line with Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla. I assume you're a listener. If not you should check it out sometime, pretty damn funny
On to the more serious stuff:
Stupidity is pretty damn common in all races. Take your post for instance...
nemesis
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What we're faced with here, folks, is that the community standards of some communities are quite different from most other communties.
The social values of some ethnic groups are right off the end of the Richter Scale from what most of us expect. Here, on the border, our population is 91% Hispanic and something close to half of that is here illegally. Almost all of the illegals are Mexicanos.
We must keep in mind that the greatest majority of people who come here illegally do not rush to embrace America and American standards. They form their own communities and exist under the standards which they grew up with.
Is is far too common here to celebrate a holiday, a quinceanera, a helluva good time or a minor revolution by running outdoors and unloading a barrage of gunfire into the sky. It helps to prove the machismo of your manhood too.
Want to settle an argument or prove a point. Just draw your illegally owned and illegally carried chrome plated Jennings and point it at the person of your discontent, they'll get the message.
A couple of years back, 2 families living on a dead end road got into a gun battle that lasted about 45 minutes before the LEO's arrived. A lot of ammo was expended but nobody was hit and nobody remembered anything to tell the cops.
It's not genetics, it's cultural values. You may not be accustomed to it if you don't live in close quarters with large communities of folks who originated in 3rd world countries but you will soon see it first hand as illegal immigration continues to snowball and the flow increases.
Me? I'm used to seeing reports of people attacking other people with machetes, kidnapping family members for ransom, flashing guns for effect or dragging the body of the guy you killed up and down the street in front of your neighbors. You will get respect.
Just remember, some guy who grew up in some veinte cinco centavo pueblo in the mountains of Michoacan is accustomed to settling matters himself because there was no policia in Puebla Chiquita and probably none within fifty miles.
Now if we could just get them to assimilate and accept American values............. OK, I was just dreaming.
The social values of some ethnic groups are right off the end of the Richter Scale from what most of us expect. Here, on the border, our population is 91% Hispanic and something close to half of that is here illegally. Almost all of the illegals are Mexicanos.
We must keep in mind that the greatest majority of people who come here illegally do not rush to embrace America and American standards. They form their own communities and exist under the standards which they grew up with.
Is is far too common here to celebrate a holiday, a quinceanera, a helluva good time or a minor revolution by running outdoors and unloading a barrage of gunfire into the sky. It helps to prove the machismo of your manhood too.
Want to settle an argument or prove a point. Just draw your illegally owned and illegally carried chrome plated Jennings and point it at the person of your discontent, they'll get the message.
A couple of years back, 2 families living on a dead end road got into a gun battle that lasted about 45 minutes before the LEO's arrived. A lot of ammo was expended but nobody was hit and nobody remembered anything to tell the cops.
It's not genetics, it's cultural values. You may not be accustomed to it if you don't live in close quarters with large communities of folks who originated in 3rd world countries but you will soon see it first hand as illegal immigration continues to snowball and the flow increases.
Me? I'm used to seeing reports of people attacking other people with machetes, kidnapping family members for ransom, flashing guns for effect or dragging the body of the guy you killed up and down the street in front of your neighbors. You will get respect.
Just remember, some guy who grew up in some veinte cinco centavo pueblo in the mountains of Michoacan is accustomed to settling matters himself because there was no policia in Puebla Chiquita and probably none within fifty miles.
Now if we could just get them to assimilate and accept American values............. OK, I was just dreaming.
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I hope you remember your amazingly astute observation next time you decide to blow something up on the fourth of July. What do you think fireworks are simulating? If it makes you feel any better burn wards in every city in this country fill to the brim with the disfigured children of patriotic Americans every year. Does this say something profound about the American culture, just as your "observation" attempts to sum up the Hispanic culture, or is it just something that happens?
Sounds just like the sort of rugged individualism that we are so proud of. I mean heck if the police are so dependable why do we own guns?
Oh goody, thats definatly the right argument to make here. Explain to me where the second ammendment even allows for the EXSISTENCE of an illegally owned or carried firearm.
BluesBear
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Geesh Yeager, chill out man.
Nemesis was NOT advocating such actions. He was just relaying his observations of someone elses bahaviour and attutudes.
You and I live in the same area and I am sure that we both have observed bahaviour that differs from our sense of what's appropriate.
You are surely aware of areas of Pierce, King and Snohomish counties that are like stepping into a foreign country. You must also be aware that things are just done differently there.
Nemesis was NOT advocating such actions. He was just relaying his observations of someone elses bahaviour and attutudes.
You and I live in the same area and I am sure that we both have observed bahaviour that differs from our sense of what's appropriate.
You are surely aware of areas of Pierce, King and Snohomish counties that are like stepping into a foreign country. You must also be aware that things are just done differently there.
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Too Many Choices!?
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Wow, Some cops(and others) don't get it.....
Profile behavior, not people
To do otherwise is declaring war on ethnicity as opposed to criminals ! If you are in a high crime area, everbody should get extra scrutiny not just the criminals or "colored" people, because ethnicity is not an indicator of crime, but behavior is !!
Now to the point. Some people are stupid. Some people are violent. Some black, some white, some mexican, some elected officials, some teachers, some cops, and some robbers.....
Get over it .....
PS Why do I all of a sudden feel like I am talking to a bunch of 2 year olds
?!
Profile behavior, not people
To do otherwise is declaring war on ethnicity as opposed to criminals ! If you are in a high crime area, everbody should get extra scrutiny not just the criminals or "colored" people, because ethnicity is not an indicator of crime, but behavior is !!Now to the point. Some people are stupid. Some people are violent. Some black, some white, some mexican, some elected officials, some teachers, some cops, and some robbers.....
Get over it
..... PS Why do I all of a sudden feel like I am talking to a bunch of 2 year olds
?!For what it's worth...
A very close relative of mine by marriage is/was a landscape worker. He lives in the northeast, born & raised there & he's a very good looking and intelligent guy. Landscaping is what he ended up doing due to a variety of circumstances (his Dad died when he was a young teen and he had to support the family). He didn't get a chance to go to college though he became quite good at landscaping and made an excellent living at it. Until about fives year ago that is, when the South Americans moved in and cut his living right out from under him. Now he finds odd jobs and is taking classes to try to get a degree while his family suffers.
30 cal slob
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IO ... your frustration is understandable.
At the same time, we live in a country which encourages free markets and competition.
In the long run, competition is good.
Exactly how does that work when they are ILLEGALLY here, and NOT PAYING TAXES and so they can work for much less money, yet net out the same. How is that a free market? They get free health care, but my relative has to pay for it? They get free schooling for their children, but my relative has to pay property taxes for his children? How is that competition?
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