Flashlights....what's wrong with maglites?

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Everyone seems to be into surefires. What's wrong with maglites? They seem to be very durable and are cheap. I have several. And you don't have to worry about them like you do a $60 "tactical" flashlight. I understand one of the benefits of the surefires is that they get really bright so you can temporarily blind someone. Is that the only benefit? Are they made out of steel?
 
The aluminum 3.2 ounce Surefire E2 is probably brighter than a 3-D cell Maglight. As you said, you may temporarily blind someone, but don't count on it. I just like the fact that it is bright since that allows you to see your object or area more clearly. You trade battery life for this performance. But that is the only Achilles heel of the Surefire lights. I take care of my Surefire, but I certainly don't worry about it. Its only $60.
 
I have mini-mags, I treat them like a Swiss Army knife, as in utility tools. Car lights are Pelicans/Hubbells because the batteries don't corrode to the plastic body if left sit to long. You don't know fun until you beat leaky batteries out of a corroded maglite. The Surefire is a specialty tool, my bump in the night/ travel with me tool. I need to buy more, I only have the 150 buck version right now. Need some small ones as well as the 300 buck 500 lumen model.

Advantages:
-Much smaller than a maglite for comparable light volume. Minimags aren't bright and D-cell mags are huge.

-Lamp is much more durable and has a longer use life than a maglite.

-Lithium batteries provide a much longer shelf life/installed life than alkaline batteries with no charge degradation. 10+ years. Run time depends on lamp intensity.

-More ergonomic. Tailcap switch and small body make one handed use easy.

-Did I mention bright? My M-3 combatlight coughs out 250 lumens from a package 1/4 the size of a D-cell maglight. No dark spots in the light pattern, provides good light out to 200yds. Last person I illuminated became disoriented and compliant in a hurry. "Shock and Awe" as it were. Saves you the trouble of shooting them or beating them with your maglite(bad idea).
 
Maglites are fine for utility/practical purposes. However it's not the light that I keep next to my pistol in my nightstand mainly for one reason - if I need to get a light on as quick as possible with a gun in one hand, twisting the flashlight is not what I want to have to do. I could get a full-size one with a switch (like the one I keep in my car) but that's too big to carry while you're trying to shoot IMO.

Tailcap switches are simply the best option for defensive illumination when combined with handguns. One thing I don't like about Surefire is the twist-lock thing. Brinkmann flashlights with tailcap system such as the Rebel LED and the Legend LX (not steel but aircraft aluminum I believe) have two modes on the tailcap switch....you can press down until the light comes on and depress to turn off for temporary illumination (it stays on as long as you hold down...like SF lights) or you can press all the way down until it clicks for permanant on. It's not hard to do and I think it would remain simple even in crisis time. Plus...those xenon/lithium lights are da bomb when it comes to sheer blinding light!

That LED light that has 20 hours of battery life is nifty but the brightness level doesn't even compare.

brad cook
 
I've had to go Babe Ruth with a maglight a couple times in Richmond. Great light... Good thing to have with you. It hits with authority. Enough to drive a drunk man to his knees with a swift shot to his shoulder.

On my belt was always my little Streamlight rechargable. I prefer the rechargables due to such short battery life in these brighter tactical lights.
 
the biggest thing is maglites are fine if you just need light, like if you're looking around in the woods for something. maglites aren't good for clearing a house b/c you shouldn't use the constant on capability which is all the maglite has. it's a pain in the ??? to twist anyways if you did try and clear your house.

i've read some issues concerning where a temp on switch is located. it's "said" that if the light switch is depressed by your weak hand's index finger it will make your trigger finger "creep" closer to the trigger. guess that could be why surefire's are on the back.

the LEO's i know have a surefire or stinger for clearing houses, and carry maglites when they just need light.
 
I always loved my maglights until I bought a scorpion by
streamlight on ebay for $27.00. It puts out as much light
as the big maglights and it is the perfect size. I still have
maglights in all the vehicles and nightstand but I go for the
scorpion evertime.

Mike
 
My SureFire is a backup light to my full size rechargeable MagLite. The rechargeable light is brighter and far superior in my opinion. The button switch is easier to coordinate with a handgun than the twist on or "hold on" SureFire switch. The only time I use my SureFire during building searches is when I have to open a door. I mount the Sure Fire on one of those TACM III magazine gadgets, on a magazine that is dedicated to building searches. I turn the light on then open the door with my off hand.

There are different theories as to constant on versus intermittent light. In one demonstration, we learned that cleared ground can become uncleared if the light is turned off during the search.
 
cool i think you can still get a G2 from COHIBA for $29.95, i think the price is good till the end of May.

Lots of places have them for that price. Also one I saw was selling a snotload of batteries for cheap.
 
4 cell maglight under the seat of my truck. E2-HA Surefire next to my nightstand gun.
 
maglites are great, great value with high usefulness value.
i keep one in my truck, under my bed (3D and 2AA :) ) and a minimag for my keychain.

i dont think i need a tac light, i got the USP always ready and so is my XD. if i'm out of ammo, i'll just throw the maglite or use it like a baseball bat.
 
I use a flashlight for work and tried for years to find a good light. The mini-maglite didn't work out. Everytime I went to use it, but bulb was broken. Plus, it was easy to activate the light unintentionally and run the battery down. So, I went with the big maglite. I work as a paramedic and thought it was counterproductive to have a flashlight that is viewed by most people as a weapon, so I tried to stay low key and used a two D-Cell light, The two cell was the answer for several years although it still had it's disadvantages. The big one was that it was still too big to just stick in your pocket. If I needed two hands right away, there was never anywhere to put the light. I usually ended up sticking it in my back pocket, and it almost always fell out or caught on something when both my hands were tied up and I had better things to worry about.
Then one day, I was on a call and was walking through an apartment complex using my flashlight to read apartment numbers. A paramedic from a private ambulance company was doing the same thing. But, his light was much brighter than mine. When we located the right apartment, he just stuck his light in his pocket and I still had this big pipe to worry about. After the call, I asked him about his light. It was a Surefire. I immediately realized that his light was superior to mine in every respect. It was the perfect product for my job. After getting one, I realized it was the state of the art in a flashlight and all those maglites I owned were old school technology. I of course still use my maglites because I already own them, but they are an idea who's time has passed. Think about this; Since I was a little kid in the 60s, the method of having a bright flashlight was to simply stack D batteries on top of one another. This went on for 50 years. Then someone realized that more is not better and built a light with a better battery and a better bulb. Voila ! A more powerful ight in a fraction of the size. And this is a bonus to anyone that really uses a flashlight. Anyone that really uses a flashlight doesn't need more weight or bigger size; they have enough gear and equipment to contend with.
The one drawback to my Surefire Z3 is that in some cases, it is too bright. So, I now carry one of those very small LED lights on a miniture carabinier on my belt loop. I consider this a great combination of lights that fit my needs perfectly.

I was recently at a shooting school where we played around with some lights at night. The insturctors had placed some targets at 25 yards. They were those kind of targets that are like a picture; some of the targets are reaching into a purse, some have a handgun being held in such a way that it is hard to see it etc.
We stood at 25 yards and tried to identify shoot/no-shoot targets using various lights. Without getting into every light we tried, the Surefire was really the only one that allowed you to reliably identify if the target was a threat or not. The intructors did talk about the disadvantages of using too much light indoors and advised trying your own choice of light inside your home to see if it works as well as you think it will.
 
I use my mag and my surefire and my scorpion. I like them all
But where we live, I can't carry my baton so QuarterBoreGunner and I agree

SureFire is a flashlight.

MagLight is an impact weapon that has a secondary function as a tool of illumination.

Just for the record thought ALL WEAPONS are forbidden on airplanes,
FLASHLIGHTS are not...just in case you were wondering...:evil:
 
With the mini-maglite when used in conjuction with a gun, you have two problems. One is that it isn't all that bright, but it may be bright enough for your needs. For example, you can probably identify the fact that the guy standing in your house at night doesn't belong there. But the main problem is that you have to twist the bezel to turn the light on and off, and also to adjust the pattern of the beam. So, you can only easily turn the light on and off with two hands. If you have to do it in a hurry, odds are you won't have the optimum beam pattern, and there is no easy way to turn it on and off while using it; in other words it doesn't have a momentary on/off switch.

"In one demonstration, we learned that cleared ground can become uncleared if the light is turned off during the search."

That is very true, but what if you are on the defensive. Where you might illuminate the target and then move; you don't want to have the light telegraphing the fact that you are moving. This would also be ackward if you are working with a partner. I have almost no light training, but in one thing I did learn that I thought was a great idea was to have one guy behind cover to illuminate the threat while the other guy manuvers on the threat. The threat is blinded and distracted by the light, and the manuvering guy is less visible. If the manuvering guy can't easily turn his light on and off as needed, it would be a pain.
 
This is what Insights Training Center recommends for a flashlight. I couldn't agree more. Pat S
http://www.insightstraining.com ... but a 6P is that much ahead of the mag-lite.
 
Nothing is wrong with mag-lites if you just need some plain old light. But in a self-defense situation, you are better served with the retina-searing power given off by a Sure-Fire type light. It becomes a force multiplier possibley making use of lethal force unnecessary because the combination can put you at a much greater advantage over your adversary and descalating the conflict.
On my duty belt I carry a Pelican Black Knight Series M-6, a mini-mag, and a Sure-Fire 6Z w/ a P-61 lamp in a pocket on my vest carrier. My primary light is a Streamlight SL-20X rechargeable. I also have vehicle mounted and rechargable hand-held spotlights available.
When I'm off, or on vacation traveling the Sure-Fire always goes with me.
 
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