Florida sheriff tees off anti-war couple

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Our latest cries of outrage come from an anti-war couple in Florida's St. Johns county who believes that a T-shirt they won in a raffle promotes violence against them.

That T-shirt has the silhouette of a sniper on its front. On the back it says "If you don't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them."

My reason for mentioning this terrifying incident doesn't have anything to do with the war, patriotism, or even the dreaded George W. Bush. It's curiosity about your opinion of the wisdom of shirts and gestures like these. Do they help attract support for Second Amendment issues, hurt it, or who cares what they think and if they don't like it they can get their congresscritters to impose gun control.
 
I've not seen the shirt but I've heard the phrase plenty of times. I've never made the jump from the phrase to the 2nd Amendment. I've always looked at it as a "support the troops" comment.


**Edit, and I also think the lady is off her rocker...
 
There are people...

who live to get their nose bent out of joint. The way to handle these misfits is to ignore them. Then they will cry till they turn blue and their head will explode.

Simple, really.
 
not a good idea

I always took that comment to be directed at the hypocrisy of the anti-war / anti-military types who use the freedom afforded them by our forces to turn around an denigrate those same forces.

You know, "if you don't like our troops, then YOU get out there on the front lines defending us."
 
its not pro war or anti war

its pro troop.

Whether or not you support the war, the troops are our friends, family, neighbors or what have you. I support THEM, because i want them to be safe.

If you dont want our troops to be safe then.....read the shirt
 
Seems more anti/pro troop than Second Amendment though the anti's will try to tie in just about anything to make gun owners look bad.

I think the sheriff should just give her a Che Guevara tshirt in trade. Old Che is the darling of the peace lovers lately. Apparently, and I was surprised to learn this, Old Che was quite the peaceful guy......
 
Some people have lives that are so lame they have to find something like a free t-shirt to complain about.
Maybe they can move to NH and complain that the "Live free or die" motto is offensive to communists.
 
Robert, are you referring to the general idea of a T shirt that shows a weapon pointed or specifically to the T shirt you mentioned?

I always thought the Vote From the Rooftops T shirts were a little in your face and tend to reinforce the stereotype the media likes to hang on us as either overweight, uneducated rural hicks or KKK, Aryan Nations type extremists.

I don't think they help us in the culture war. Think of the outrage people in the gun culture felt when the "Always Think Forfeiture" leatherman tools became public knowledge. It did nothing but reinforce the negative image the gun culture has of the BATFE. I think T shirts and bumper stickers like that have the same effect on the other side. And just like the gun culture uses the leatherman tool to try to convince fence sitters that they are right about the BATFE, the other side uses those T shirts and bumper stickers the same way.

Just something to think about.....

Jeff
 
My reason for mentioning this terrifying incident doesn't have anything to do with the war, patriotism, or even the dreaded George W. Bush. It's curiosity about your opinion of the wisdom of shirts and gestures like these. Do they help attract support for Second Amendment issues, hurt it, or who cares what they think and if they don't like it they can get their congresscritters to impose gun control.
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The current war is an imperialist war. It's not a war to defend America's soil. There is nothing to "support" at all.

T-shirts like the one above hurt the Second Amendment because it makes the wearer look like tyrants. That is why we need to separate the 2nd Amendment, which is the CITIZEN'S POWER, away from anything military. We don't need military representations for the RKBA. After all, wasn't it the military who kicked down people's doors, beat old people bloody and senseless, and UNLAWFULLY AND ILLEGALLY took their guns in New Orleans? Wasn't it the military who burned women and children alive at Waco?
 
Just curious...

Can I support the 2nd amendment but be against the wars?

Can I support the troops but not the cause?

I don't understand why gun ownership automatically means that I have to support the invasion of foreign countries... that "supporting our troops" means that I have to send them off to do Israel's dirty work.

I disagree with many of the comments above.

I am a gun owner, and I support the troops. However, I believe that their efforts have been misguided, and their devotion to our nation has been abused.

These wars root much further back than some random attack on 9/11/2001. It began in 1948 when we first armed and funded Israel to crusade through the region and take by force what they were "entitled" to. Since then we have given them billions of dollars and countless arsenals to create new enemies with. And now, we are giving them the lives of our soldiers. Well, I am calling BS. There is no amount of policing we can do to make the Arabs/Muslims forgive and accept the Jews for 60 years of invasions and bloodshed.

So, go ahead and bash me, but remember that this war is more complex than meets the eye.

And yes, I do support the troops. That is why I do not want them deployed in a rotten war.
 
The current war is an imperialist war. It's not a war to defend America's soil. There is nothing to "support" at all.
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Oh my god. I actually agree with Rachen.

There are only two ways to support the troops:

1. enlist
2. send a check to the treasury department earmarked "war effort"

All the rest is hot air, and people talking themselves up in some kind of verbal patriotic masturbatory exercise.

-T
 
Can I support the 2nd amendment but be against the wars?
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What would you do if an armed robber with sadist tendencies breaks into your house and forces you and your family to comply with their wishes, twisted as they might be?

The invasion and occupation of Iraq is an example of armed home invasion committed at an international scale.

People who are against imperialist military actions SHOULD support the 2nd Amendment, since RKBA gives us the power needed to defeat people who wishes us harm and violence. Why do all Libertarians support the 2A? They are all against the war and imperialist actions.
 
This is the only warning. POLITICS IS OFF TOPIC AT THR We'll either discuss what the OP intended, which is if T shirts like that help or hurt our cause or I'll close the thread and you all can talk about the war over at APS.

Jeff
 
Just a reminder, there is no political discussion on THR. I'm betting that Iraq war pro/con discussions would fall under the definition of "political"...

Springmom
 
I like the idea of the shirt, and think that these peacenuts are just looking for a fight.
 
Those kind of people should just all get on a boat and leave this country. Their views are an insult to all those that gave their lives for them.

I guess now even Patriotism is politically incorrect.
 
Okay back on topic.

Do they help attract support for Second Amendment issues, hurt it, or who cares what they think and if they don't like it they can get their congresscritters to impose gun control.
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Answer to the OP's original question: I believe the gun hating public tends to lump us together with the military, and these T-shirts are quite aggressive in their messages, and therefore, the antis might mistake us for having personalities like said on such T-shirts. So, in shorter words, it will hurt our gun rights.
 
This is the only warning. POLITICS IS OFF TOPIC AT THR We'll either discuss what the OP intended, which is if T shirts like that help or hurt our cause or I'll close the thread and you all can talk about the war over at APS.
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Ok then... I think the shirt demonstrates the shallowness and stupidity of the bearer. They obviously failed to look beyond the surface of this matter. It certainly hurts our cause by making gun owners look like tyrants.
 
Jeff White said:
This is the only warning. POLITICS IS OFF TOPIC AT THR We'll either discuss what the OP intended, which is if T shirts like that help or hurt our cause or I'll close the thread and you all can talk about the war over at APS.
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Love to.
Some of the particularly outrageous comments in this thread tend to prompt a rather strongly worded response.
Given that, a "warning" seems superfluous.
Maybe threads that meander into politics should be not only locked, but the particularly ... "political" posts should be removed.
Just my two cents ... which is now worth about a halfpence by now .....
 
Whether it is tshirts or bumper stickers ie (keep honking I'm reloading and the like), it seem like people wear them for shock value, or to broadcast their own ideas (like anyone else cares).
I personally believe these types of messages seriously degrade the value of our cause.

O yeah Picard, that comment was about the least patriotic, most redicululous thing I have ever heard on this board.
 
They should be given a t-shirt with a picture of Osama on it, if they hate American soldiers so much they might like that picture better :)
 
Tyris said:
Oh my god. I actually agree with Rachen.

There are only two ways to support the troops:

1. enlist
2. send a check to the treasury department earmarked "war effort"

All the rest is hot air, and people talking themselves up in some kind of verbal patriotic masturbatory exercise.

-T
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I'm going to have to strongly disagree. There are plenty of other ways to support the troops. It can be something as easy as letting them know they are appreciated; I've talked to many and any and all asked have expressed their thanks and gratitude.

It could be something more like organizing events to help their families left here while they are on deployment.

Or sending care packages that contain items to help make them a little more comfortable while they are deployed.

It could be raising money or planning events that not only raise money but also recognition of various veteran services for those returning home or for those who have already served.


Those are just a few off the top of my head that my family is personally involved in. All have been nonpartisan, nonpolitical. The goal has always been to do something for the troops, no matter where they might be. I'll put much more stock in the thanks from those who've appreciated it.
 
That T-shirt has the silhouette of a sniper on its front. On the back it says "If you don't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them."
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It's just a support the troops message. Badly written, since there are a couple of unpleasant readings of the message that are possible. Just a tempest in a T-shirt, as far as I can tell.

I don't see any relation of the message to the 2nd Amendment. I don't think it adds or detracts from 2A support.
 
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