Florida Woman Shot in Leg by Bathroom Stall Neighbor

[rbernie]

I guess if you're gonna get the crap scared out of you, they were in the right place!

Oneounceload, for the thread win.

I also witnessed a dealer at a gunshow who was setting up the evening before the show disslodge his Colt Commander (cocked&locked) from the holster, it fell to the floor and disscharged.

This is virtually impossible, barring a mechanical failure of the grip safety or out-of-spec firing pin spring. Even without a firing pin safety, I seem to recall reading that the 1911 should be drop-safe for 8-10 feet.

 

[runrabbitrun]

Ok, so you're pointing at this one story as hysteria.

No not at all.
I'm saying exactly what I said, but will add
the law of averages will catch up. IMHO
Just like when more people got into boating,
more boating accidents occurred.
Or when more people got on the roads,
more auto accidents began to happen.

It's only logical to conclude that as more people carry firearms hot,
(because so many States are 'shall issue' now and I'm happy about that)...
MORE people will have ADs/NDs as a result.

Those statistics (as time goes by) may indeed
be what has some States reversing their CC permits
using 'public safety' a the straw man and a means to disarm you/us
permanently.

Or maybe not. lol

 

[TexasRifleman]

Those statistics (as time goes by) may indeed
be what has some States reversing their CC permits
using 'public safety' a the straw man and a means to disarm you/us
permanently

What states are reversing their carry permit laws?

 

[runrabbitrun]

I guess I should of stated:

'Those statistics (as time goes by) may indeed
be what may have some States reversing their CC permits
using 'public safety' as the straw man and a means to disarm you/us
permanently.'

I don't think any States are doing so now.
But think the 'possibility' of revocations of CC permits for civilians may increase as time goes by.
(IF ADs/NDs continue to rise)...

Sorry if I was unclear.

Another way to put it might be:
The Brady Bunch would love to see more of this happening
so they can 'try' and get more of their 'sensible' gun laws passed.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I don't think any States are doing so now.
But think the 'possibility' of revocations of CC permits for civilians may increase as time goes by.

Ah OK, gotcha. Just wondered if some states were talking about it.

Hopefully things like this are still such a small statistic that it won't come up but you're right, the Bradys and others will use any excuse they find.

 

[WinchesterAA]

I suggest additional curriculum for the CHL, design it to include proper training on -

Relieving yourself while armed - male/female distinction

 

[runrabbitrun]

Ah OK, gotcha. Just wondered if some states were talking about it.

Hopefully things like this are still such a small statistic that it won't come up but you're right, the Bradys and others will use any excuse they find.

Yea that's what I was pretty much eluding to.
I used to think I was pretty good at this posting on the internet stuff,
but I'm getting older and
I'm not as sharp as I 'used' to think I was.
So I guess I really suck at getting my points across. lol

BTW, you do great TR and I love your posts...

 

[Yo Mama]

That may be debatable if the CCP holder pays a fee for the license and any fingerprint fees etc. If this is the case and no other public funds are used to process the permit then I submit the members of the group aren't public or part of a public record.

Has nothing to do with it. Search the topic and you'll see. You're mistake is your trying to use reason!

It's not public record in Florida.

The newspaper disagrees.

 

[chuckusaret]

I like the design of my Springfield XD's more and more after reading about all the AD & ND's

 

[chuckusaret]

I don't think any States are doing so now.
But think the 'possibility' of revocations of CC permits for civilians may increase as time goes by.

Yes, IMO irresponsible gun owners should be treated just the same irresponsible vehicle drivers when proven to be irresponsible.

 

[btg3]

I view my guns in a very similar manner as my "power tools"

No argument. But it made me think about how power tools generally fall into two categories:
1. Consumer grade (disposable)
2. Professional grade (maintainable)

 

[feedthehogs]

I like the design of my Springfield XD's more and more after reading about all the AD & ND's

Thats why we have lawyer buttons on power tools, because people can't seem to grasp how to operate them properly.

I'm all for those who need 10 steps on a gun to fire it, it keeps me safe or at least some time to get away from them.

Fear is the absence of knowlege.

 

[starkadder]

Grump...A S&W Model 10 discharging when dropped on it's hammer? Not any modern version that I know of.

First of all I never said that it was a "modern" version, it was actually a vintage M-10 S&W and undoubtedly there was either a saftey issue with the older models or just this particular gun because the family filed a law suit against S&W and they settled the case for a six figure amount.

Rbernie...This is vitually impossible.

First of all I have no knowledge of the condition of the internals of this particular gun, it very well may have been messed with, damaged, or other wise unsafe, but I did get a look at it after the accident and you could clearly see damage to the hammer, beavertail,(due to the impact with the concrete) and also the slide and saftey lever(due to the slide slamming into the saftey when it fired) and I guess I should have mentioned that the damage on the slide and saftey clearly showed that it was either not fully engaged or was disslodged in the fall.

I only wish that I was such an expert that I can say that mechanical devices "can not fail".
If I know anything, I know that any assembly of parts and components into a mechanical device no matter how well made or designed can, and under the right (or wrong) cicumstaces will fail!!!!!

The other explination for your replies is that you are calling me a liar, first of all, I DO NOT LIE I have always believed that if every one told the truth all of the time, the world would be a much better place. Secondly I have no reason to lie to a bunch of faceless nicknames on the enternet because I could care less about your opinion of me.
The facts of both of these events are just that, "facts" wheather you like it or not that is what happened. I have come to expect this from some of the members here ( we have so many EXPERTS) but now we have one of the Moderators claiming that things that can happen, can't.:banghead::banghead:

This is this! It's not something else, it's this!!!!!!!!!!!

ALWAYS REMEMBER OUR MEN AND WOMEN OVER THERE.

 

[jon_in_wv]

I love my M&Ps but you have to realize the design limitations when handling it. It doesn't have a manual safety and fumbling around with it in the bathroom is not smart. In that situation I would remove it AND the holster, keeping the weapon in the holster, and I hold it in my lap while I use the bathroom. I carry any pistol like an M&P or a Glock in a rigid holster where there is NO chance of it going off as long as its in the holster.

The other explination for your replies is that you are calling me a liar, first of all, I DO NOT LIE I have always believed that if every one told the truth all of the time, the world would be a much better place.

I'll second that!

Secondly I have no reason to lie to a bunch of faceless nicknames on the enternet because I could care less about your opinion of me.
The facts of both of these events are just that, "facts" wheather you like it or not that is what happened.

On that front. I like to take what is said on these forums at face value. Its the truth unless I have a REAL reason to show its not. Then if you want to challenge it give a REAL reason why you think its not. Attacking someone's credibility as your only reason isn't an very good way to do it. Secondly, its just the internet folks. If you don't agree, post your opinion to the contrary and get over it.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Secondly I have no reason to lie to a bunch of faceless nicknames on the enternet because I could care less about your opinion of me.
The facts of both of these events are just that, "facts" wheather you like it or not that is what happened.

I'm not sure where anyone said you were lying.

The statement made was that the thing you describe is virtually impossible with a 1911.

That is true, it's virtually impossible. That's not saying it could never happen.

The discussion is about the odds of things happening though.

In the news article we have a story that would lead most of us to believe that it was NOT the one in a million mechanical failure that you describe, but simply someone pulling a bonehead move like grabbing a falling pistol by the trigger etc.

I don't see the reason you're worked up about being called a liar, it doesn't appear to me that anyone did.

 

[doc2rn]

ok just took my old 10-4 out and drop tested it onto a sheet of plywood and it went bang from eye level. I am 5'6". I live in the county so neighbors are far away and I stood behind a 1/2 thick steel plate. Let me reitterate that it took me 5 tries to get it just right on the hammer but it can be done. Wish I had take the movie camera, because I think the angle of the barrel would have put round higher than on the ladies ankle to knee area. Man I wish I could have become a CSI!

 

[starkadder]

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But simply someone pulling a bonehead move like grabbing the trigger of a falling gun ect.

I have read this story and nothing in it should lead you to believe that she grabbed the trigger of a falling gun.

The gun went off when it fell to the ground

THIS CAN, WILL, AND HAS, HAPPENED! THIS IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!



this is this! It's not something else, it's this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALWAYS REMEMBER OUR MEN AND WOMEN OVER THERE.